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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so we've got a

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fascinating episode today where we pit

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or we stage the battle royal or a couple

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of old men carping about one thing or

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another I don't know but we have Kevin

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Randle and Jim Mosely together I think

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for the first time or at least for the

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first time in many years and of course

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they haven't agreed on lots of things

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especially Roswell and now Kevin Randall

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has this new book out called reflections

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of a UFO investigator so we're going to

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see how that reflects and by the way he

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also talks about abductions there so

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we'll ask him about that too now on our

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show a couple of weeks back we had Ruben

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your Tay and noe Taurus talking about

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this curious episode the Cisco Grove UFO

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encounter involving a fellow who was a

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twenty-something person at that time

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Donald Shrum and I was really fascinated

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listening to the case history but also

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listening to what Donald's from

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remembered of it you know 50 years later

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but more fascinating is it's something

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about the UFO mystery that always kind

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of incites my curiosity and that is when

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you do see these aliens they seem to be

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so low-tech I mean we have Donald's from

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in the forest he's being chased by the

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UFO aliens by a robot he's in the tree

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trying to avoid being captured and the

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most significant weapon they could bring

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to bear is poison gas knockout gas

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what's going on here you know really

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having a clue there gene good question

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yeah this is really interesting you know

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this is one of the things that I find

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myself concerned about is

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the fact that if we have alien visitors

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who are advanced enough to travel the

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Stars to get here is that the best they

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can do to capture somebody who has

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nothing more in his defense but

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bow-and-arrow know the whole thing

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sounds kind of Paleolithic to me kinda

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but it's like the UFO knots are always

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one step ahead of us you know it's not

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ten thousand years ahead of us because

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they can travel through the stars it's

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just enough to be more advanced than we

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are in terms of their technology I would

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think if they wanted to capture Donald

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Trump it would have been the work of a

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few seconds this is a cat-and-mouse game

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you know well I don't know it just it's

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bizarre I mean there's that absurdity

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factor that that trickster ish kind of

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quality that raises its head in some of

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these cases there's a real

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head-scratcher and I think that's kind

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of part of the the allure of this whole

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subject matter is there's just something

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always it doesn't make sense about many

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of these encounters and and I think I

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think Shawn had had a real encounter but

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it was fabricated to appear to be

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nonsensical almost with poison gas going

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up the tree it's just bizarre throwing

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coins at it this is just something

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something weird about this whole deal

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gene it's very weird it's very strange

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and I have to wonder what exactly all

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this is supposed to mean I think there's

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a lot of psychological by-play going on

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here and it may well be that the only

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thing real about this case in terms of a

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physical reality I'm just you know

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shooting in the dark here the only thing

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real was the sighting that from and his

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two friends saw they all saw a UFO

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after that all things being equal it was

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some kind of hallucination

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that advanced alien beings would play a

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game with an Earthling for 12 hours

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straight and not just finish what they

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were trying to accomplish especially if

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they knocked him out he knocked him out

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just caught up the tree and get him yeah

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we would never mentioned if he'd his

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butt hurt the next morning I was kind of

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wondering maybe if they had got him and

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put him back up in the tree maybe he

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they would have left some vestiges of

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their inspection of him yeah you know I

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wonder if they even considered that kind

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of examination at that time now travels

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with all these trickster ish kinds of

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things and that is that a word I don't

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know we're making up words here we like

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to do that in your travels doing this

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kind of investigation what pray tell

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have you seen that might indicate the

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cat-and-mouse aspect a phenomena like

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this well I don't know I you know again

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we are talking about contact II cases or

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encounter cases of which I had very very

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few to investigate but one of the ones

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that I did have featured a woman who

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fell in love with her her alien the head

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a Lia and she would be encountered I

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guess a number of these creatures over

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the years but there was one in

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particular that she she fell in love

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with and she really loved him dearly and

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especially loved his outfit that

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reminded her of an Elvis Gold LeMay cape

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that he this alien would wear and she

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just she thought he looked great in it I

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guess that might qualify right that

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would qualify fell in love with an alien

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you know the men folk here you know we

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don't make it yeah once you go gray you

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don't go back okay yeah that's pretty

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strange give us another one this

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happened after I felt I had some weird

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barely invisible entities come through

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my wall I mean this really the only time

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this has ever happened I wasn't asleep I

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was lying in bed in the dark but I was

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wide awake and I've distinctly felt

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something a group of something kind of

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troop by me and I just stood there no I

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was really just lay there and I was

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really trying to see them in the pitch

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dark and in my bedroom and I just

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couldn't really make anything out and

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but felt it was a very eerie presence so

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I went to sleep and found out two weeks

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later that my neighbor claimed that

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these and I had to track her down and

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she she I had to have one of her friends

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convince her to talk to me but she

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claimed that as it turns out the very

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same night within about I think 30

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minutes maybe or 40 minutes she had a

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group of the small diminutive aliens or

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a troop threw into her bedroom and they

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she felt that they were trying to I

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don't know interact with her son who was

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I think at that age about four at that

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time and he was a very special little

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boy he was able to predict earthquakes

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he'd wake up and say mommy or shake

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today and sure enough there'd be a major

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earthquake he did this on a number of

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occasions she was the widow of Artie

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Lange of all people and she had never

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had an experience like this before to my

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knowledge never had one since but she

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felt that they were going to do

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something with her little son and so she

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banished them and they wouldn't go and

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she finally got mad and and and

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surrounded her son with with light and

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and they seem to become disinterested

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and left right through the wall and she

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says as they went in in the wall and in

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you know originally through the wall

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into her room they seemed to be like

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water they were transparent and Ripley

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like they were I don't know like like

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they were composed of water it sounds to

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me like the Stargate if you've ever

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watched the Stargate TV series or the

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single movie about the subject the

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Stargate has this rippling blue water

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type effect as you go into wait-wait the

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beans look like water while they were

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coming out of the wall okay I won't say

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this story was all wet but it strikes me

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as being weird and it's something that

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we have to keep wondering about what we

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have to wonder about is this book that

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Kevin Randall wrote called reflections

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of a UFO investigator about his history

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in the field and will also ask about the

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Roswell dream team we've got Jim Mosely

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also joining us with Jean and Chris

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Chris is no longer kake hey this week by

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the way next week on the power cast will

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have a special all-star episode where we

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rock of ufology with Gene and Chris

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out at iTunes

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we've got Jim Mosley we've got Kevin

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Randle with gene and Chris you're in the

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para cast and our new timeslot I don't

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know if that makes a difference because

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I think a lot of our listeners hear it

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difference to you so we'll just not

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mention it so Kevin you wrote this book

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reflections of a UFO investigator and

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Chris was remarking before we got

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started he didn't realize how young you

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were when you got sucked into this so

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tell us about this where did you start

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in Colorado to make it simple and I've

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always said this but my mother got me

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interested in UFOs because she had an

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interest in science fiction which is

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about alien visitation alien

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civilizations and interstellar flight

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and of course UFOs are about all those

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things as well so it's not a huge step

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into it and I remember she took me to a

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movie called earth vs. the flying

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saucers back in 1956 which was one of

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the Harry ray harryhausen Harryhausen

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thank you thank you thank you I couldn't

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get get that right extravaganzas with

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with the flying saucers so I was I was

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very interested in that you know by the

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way where they bought the rights whose

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book they bought the rights for to make

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that oh yeah he was outraged it so they

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they treated the topic because it

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because it was an alien invasion in

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essence the one thing that I remember

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was as I read this stuff it always

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seemed that they were talking about

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indistinct blobs of light in the sky

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which could be practically anything and

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the question that I wanted answered and

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I didn't really see it in eight of the

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books that I read at the time was if the

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objects were distinct if they were clear

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and one of my friends in high school

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told me that his mother had seen

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something when she lived in South Dakota

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and so my first sort of investigation

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was to go to talk to her about what she

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had seen and the question I wanted

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answered more than anything else was was

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it distinct and I remember her telling

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me that it was a very distinct sharply

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identified object so I sharply defined

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object hovering two or three hundred

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feet over the barn and that was the one

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question I wanted answered and I

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couldn't tell you much about anything

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else about the sighting

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other than that but that was the one

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thing I wanted to know so that is kind

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of how I got involved in this whole

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thing now let's take the trip from there

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to some of the cases or the stories did

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you've become famous or infamous for now

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with regard to UFO abductions where were

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you attracted to study that not really

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attracted to study that but call a

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Remsen and in the aerial phenomena

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research organization a warehouse of UFO

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information and I wanted to do I wanted

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to write become a writer and in talking

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with Cora Lorenzen the deal was if I

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would mention the organization in the

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text of the of the of the article you

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know give their address then that they

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would consider that payment and and then

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of course I could keep any season that I

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generated to do that they had sent me

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the information about the asya yatah who

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was in Argentina who Argentine who

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claimed to have been abducted which I

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think we all now know as a hoax but I'd

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done the article about that and a woman

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in Utah had sent a letter to saga

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magazine discussing this and said that

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she knew about how these things happened

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and that how they abducted people and of

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course I called Quora Lorenzen and said

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you know I've got this assignment to go

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out and talk to this woman from from the

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magazine because the letter came to me

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but I know nothing about hypnosis or how

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to how to do that sort of thing and and

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I waited for her to find a hypnotist for

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me and we ended up with Jim harder went

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out to to Utah to talk to the woman and

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talked to her and some of the children

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who claimed to have been abducted so at

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that point I thought you know that

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there's something to this and I said in

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the article and I've said in other

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places and then unless we find some

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psychological problem that could explain

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this then this abduction is real and of

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course I've since learned about sleep

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paralysis and I'm convinced at this

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specific case in Utah was sleep

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paralysis and so I got I got kind of

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sucked into abductions that way so I did

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some work on the abductions because of

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that did I answer a question yes Jim you

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can ask the question I wanted to ask

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Evan

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he believed that some abductions no

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matter how few are truly unexplained

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accept to believe that there's something

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paranormal or weird about them in other

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words are seven of areaa

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my feeling Jim and I'm going to get

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castigated for this I'm sure well listen

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this is the power cast that's art

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stock-in-trade we get castigated all the

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time what I do it yeah but I my feeling

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is that the abduction phenomena has

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terrestrial explanations that there is

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nothing extraterrestrial about it and I

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I look at this thing and I read the

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abduction accounts you know I've talked

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to Kathleen Martin who is Betty Hills

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knees number times about this and and

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and she agrees to me at least to an

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extent that some abductions are

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explainable as sleep paralysis and we

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all try to make that clear that some

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abductions are explainable that way but

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not all of them and so there are other

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other mechanisms operating there but

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yeah I just seen nothing to suggest that

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there's an extraterrestrial component to

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it yes there is that I would think

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abductions like Betty hill or Travis

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Walton would be more likely to be the

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way the abduction style work than this

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constant coming into the bedrooms and

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abducting the same people over and over

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again over a period of years and decades

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well do you think there what is your

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feeling about missing time which is I

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would think first cousin to abductions

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because if the time is missing and the

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person has no memory of what happened

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during that time we could imagine that

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perhaps he was abducted I think we'd

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take a look at those cases where they

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claimed missing time and I think the

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best example might be the Hill abduction

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where they talked about it took them too

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long to get from where they were they

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began a trip to their their home but

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they kept stopping to to look at the UFO

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and they kept stopping to do these sorts

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of things so they got home later than

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they expected to get home but it may be

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that the time really wasn't

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missing it was they just didn't realize

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how much time was passing yeah I like I

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said I don't have all the explanations

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here all the answers there there are

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some things about the abduction

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phenomenon that are that are interesting

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and intriguing but my personal opinion

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at this point there's nothing

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extraterrestrial involved in it which is

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not to say that something may not come

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up tomorrow or later this afternoon

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though that would reverse that opinion

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but looking at it from the research that

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I have done over X number of years I

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just don't think there's really too much

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of an extraterrestrial nature an

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extraterrestrial component involved in

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it I think it just my own opinion at

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this point in time you know if anyone

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cares I don't think there are

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interplanetary craft coming here but I

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do absolutely think that something

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extremely peculiar is going on and for

490
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one of any better explanation I'll call

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it paranormal which doesn't tell us

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anything but it means it's something we

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certainly don't understand and something

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that is real but I really don't see why

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we have to assume just because it sounds

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like fun that these things are coming

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physically from some faraway planet and

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they find it so interesting that they

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come again and again I don't think

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that's the answer we'll have more

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answers with Kevin Randall and with Jim

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Mosely of course has saucer smear with

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Gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

605
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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

606
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

607
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:15,510
that George snoring I think this is the

608
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:18,210
kind of show where Chris and I can be

609
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:21,180
flies on the wall and we just set Jim

610
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:23,970
Mosely and Kevin Randle to talking and

611
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they will proceed to keep us going

612
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,620
now Jim made a statement about what he

613
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thinks about UFO reality which is maybe

614
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,480
that we shouldn't be looking to other

615
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:36,120
star systems but consider a paranormal

616
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:38,490
event of some kind Kevin what's your

617
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:40,710
take on that I look at it this way I

618
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:43,530
think based on what I've seen and in my

619
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:44,970
research that we're dealing with in a

620
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,570
planetary craft but I don't say that and

621
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:50,700
to exclude all over possibilities I

622
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:52,440
think that there may be some kind of a

623
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:54,810
paranormal event that's involved it may

624
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:57,150
be something of interdimensional it may

625
00:28:02,240 --> 00:27:58,890
be something psychological there may be

626
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:02,250
other explanations involved to me the

627
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:05,220
most likely is interstellar flight but

628
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,290
you know if we if we get to evidence to

629
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,880
suggest something else I'm willing to go

630
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:10,320
in that direction I think one of the

631
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:12,540
most fun explanations if there's time

632
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:15,510
travelers from the future but our human

633
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,130
human time travelers from the future I

634
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,960
suppose I should say yes there you think

635
00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:21,600
that that is possible or that it's not I

636
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,550
didn't understand you I think I think I

637
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:25,380
say it's one of the possibilities if you

638
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:28,470
look at a compendium or the explanations

639
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,410
I think extraterrestrial is probably the

640
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:33,600
most likely but there are other

641
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:36,390
explanations that could be the answer

642
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,510
and time travel is one of them has is

643
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:41,100
paranormal as its interdimensional I

644
00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:43,800
just think that the look at it from the

645
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evidence that I've seen I think actually

646
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:47,400
terrestrial is the most likely of the

647
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,160
explanations but not but not exclusively

648
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:53,520
I just find out of all the possibilities

649
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:55,650
when you think of the distance involved

650
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,340
and all the problems involved I think to

651
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,640
reach out literally that far and assume

652
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:05,340
that that should be or has to be or

653
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:08,760
might be the answer is I think the more

654
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:11,800
I think about it as I get older and I

655
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:13,810
definitely I'm getting older but I

656
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:16,150
really of course it's theoretically

657
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:19,270
possible as is anything and until you

658
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:21,940
find out that it's impossible but I know

659
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:24,190
well I do know why people start from

660
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:26,230
there because it's exciting and

661
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:28,570
interesting and everybody wants to know

662
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:30,670
what there's life elsewhere in the

663
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:32,770
universe and I'm sure that there is but

664
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:36,190
it's a big jump from saying there is

665
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:37,720
life elsewhere in the universe

666
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to saying that life is so interested in

667
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:43,960
us that it appears here somewhere on

668
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earth almost daily and continues to act

669
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in the peculiar way that it has been

670
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acting I just don't see that as a

671
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:55,990
realistic scenario if you look at the

672
00:30:00,180 --> 00:29:57,880
whole thing in interstellar the

673
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distances are extremely fast they're

674
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just huge and our current technology

675
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:04,750
doesn't allow us to traverse those

676
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distances easily but that is not to say

677
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:10,990
there may not be ways of doing it that

678
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:12,430
we just haven't thought of or we haven't

679
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:14,530
discovered yet and in one of the

680
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explanations I've always kind of liked

681
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to reduce the distances is if you put a

682
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dot at the top of a piece of paper and

683
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the dot the bottom of the piece I was

684
00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:24,400
going to say that it's good thing that

685
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Jim is breathing because the

686
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conversation would be a whole lot

687
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:29,560
different hmm

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00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:30,940
but what I'm thinking is you know you

689
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put the dot at the top of a piece of

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paper and a dot at the bottom of the

691
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piece of paper and it's separated by

692
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eleven inches but if you fold the paper

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in half the dots are touching so the

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distance is irrelevant at that point I

695
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don't know if there's a cycle or a

696
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psychological a physical way to fold

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universe that way so that we can make

698
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those leaps quickly and easily if I knew

699
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the dynamics of interstellar flight I'd

700
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be a lot richer than I am in a lot more

701
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:00,790
famous but there may be there may be

702
00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:02,890
things that we don't understand that

703
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:05,980
make it a lot simpler and that would

704
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explain at least part of the UFO

705
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phenomena their ability to get here is

706
00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:13,030
not the the Herculean task as we see it

707
00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:16,830
but is something a little bit simpler no

708
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:20,380
don't you think though that it is a fact

709
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:25,090
that people prefer that belief almost in

710
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a real

711
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his way because well partly because in

712
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:30,790
some cases allegedly these creatures

713
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:33,790
have given us up lifting messages but

714
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:36,970
also just the concept itself that there

715
00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:40,570
are being somewhat like us elsewhere and

716
00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:43,540
they're coming here just about at the

717
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:45,400
time that we are going to start trying

718
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:48,810
to go there I think that is so

719
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:53,740
interesting and uplifting to a whole lot

720
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:56,200
of people that they are going to just

721
00:32:03,060 --> 00:31:59,610
stick to that a belief even if it is

722
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:03,070
unlikely and we have nothing to agree

723
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:06,460
with disagree with their I think you're

724
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,170
absolutely right that there are people

725
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:10,480
who tenaciously hold on to the beliefs

726
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:12,190
and I think Frank's Thomas Berry in one

727
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:15,550
of his investigation bore this out he

728
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:17,010
had talked to a woman who'd seen a

729
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,530
flying saucer the day before and and saw

730
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:22,240
a cockpit window in it and saw the

731
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:25,090
creatures behind it and Salisbury took

732
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:27,280
her out the next day to the place where

733
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:28,870
she had seen this thing and she was

734
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:29,530
pointing it

735
00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:31,870
there was another craft and he noticed

736
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:33,180
in the distance that there were some

737
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:35,770
teenage boys launching hot-air balloons

738
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:36,730
that he asked him were you here

739
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:38,410
yesterday and they said yes so clearly

740
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:41,830
what she had seen was their hot-air

741
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:43,390
balloons that they were launching their

742
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:45,520
you know the the laundry bags with the

743
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:48,040
candles in it and she in her mind I

744
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:50,020
think it's a gestalt psychology had

745
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:53,080
created this image of the the window and

746
00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:56,710
the creatures behind it and she was not

747
00:33:00,540 --> 00:32:58,120
willing to believe she said yes that's

748
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,550
what I saw yesterday and then when it

749
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:01,840
was identified she said well no that's

750
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:03,880
not what I saw so so you're absolutely

751
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,770
right Jim that there are people who are

752
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:07,120
going to hold tenaciously to their

753
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:09,580
beliefs regardless of what the evidence

754
00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:13,390
is regardless where it it takes them and

755
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:16,840
yeah otherwise it's wishful thinking

756
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:18,130
yeah really

757
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:20,860
I certainly I know we'll be talking

758
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:25,090
about Roswell eventually I was very much

759
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:28,780
intrigued by Roswell at the beginning

760
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:32,140
before and we'll get you this before all

761
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:35,560
the stories involving dead bodies were

762
00:33:39,630 --> 00:33:38,740
were eliminated I mean I thought well my

763
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:39,640
god

764
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,220
the bodies people have seen them as they

765
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:44,350
look something like us but not exactly

766
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:48,160
this very likely is something

767
00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:49,660
interplanetary I don't know how many

768
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:52,600
years ago that was but the more I

769
00:33:58,770 --> 00:33:55,630
studied and the more evidence of that

770
00:34:01,380 --> 00:33:58,780
sort fell apart and the more I thought

771
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,390
about it I just oh you know me at this

772
00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:04,720
point I'm I'm old Oh balloon man which

773
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:08,740
makes me unwelcome in many circles but

774
00:34:12,899 --> 00:34:10,570
that's that's just the way I finally

775
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:12,909
ended up about bras well you know Jim I

776
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:14,710
want to ask you more about that because

777
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:17,649
on your previous appearance on the show

778
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:20,129
you said that it was Kevin's book

779
00:34:25,859 --> 00:34:23,350
reflections of a UFO investigator that

780
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,869
made you more convinced that was the

781
00:34:32,369 --> 00:34:28,800
theory so maybe go into that right now

782
00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:32,379
what that more convinced that it was a

783
00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:34,869
mogul balloon Roswell explained just

784
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:38,230
very briefly for Kevin's benefit why he

785
00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:39,940
came to that conclusion then we can have

786
00:34:46,109 --> 00:34:42,700
a little back and forth okay well well I

787
00:34:47,970 --> 00:34:46,119
was convinced before his book I the

788
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:47,980
thing in there that I think you're

789
00:34:54,139 --> 00:34:51,310
talking about is is this I'm not going

790
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,149
to be able to say this perfectly but

791
00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Razzles daughter Bessie and I'll call

792
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:00,450
her Becky Boswell all those he has a

793
00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:03,820
married name which I don't remember but

794
00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:06,460
it's right in your book seven and it's

795
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:09,700
elsewhere I don't have it in front of me

796
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:11,710
but you know that she made a statement

797
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,030
about pastel flower designs now I know

798
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:18,640
that you believe that she made a lot of

799
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:21,340
mistakes in her testimony and that she

800
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:24,100
changed and so forth and I'll grant you

801
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:25,960
that although I know nothing about the

802
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:29,680
details but however she changed it and

803
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,200
whatever else went wrong I want to know

804
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:35,680
where did she get the idea of pastel

805
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:39,010
flowers and my answer is from the Mogul

806
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:42,940
balloons because as you know more

807
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:45,930
himself talked to me and many others and

808
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:48,930
discussed the fact that for some reason

809
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:52,210
these strips which were indeed about two

810
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:53,470
inches wide

811
00:36:01,770 --> 00:35:58,810
had a design of pastel flowers now let

812
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,780
me just go on for another minute if

813
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:04,240
you're going to make up something to

814
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exciting and weird and that could mean

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[Music]

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this is a stirred 70 author you up on

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the screens in your this mean to the

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para Cass welcome to part four of the

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flying in the ball show with Jean

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Steinberg and Christopher O'Brien and

937
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we're talking to Jim Mosley editor of

938
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:24,089
saucer smear Kevin Randall UFO

939
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:27,089
investigator who has written a book

940
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called reflections of a UFO investigator

941
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:30,599
what else could it be

942
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:34,500
Jim you were basically detailing your

943
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:37,290
concerns about will have Kevin's answer

944
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:38,730
go ahead please yeah you caught me just

945
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:41,400
as I was reaching my point so you might

946
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:44,550
add in all kinds of interesting things

947
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,060
such as hieroglyphics or peculiar metal

948
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:50,700
or many other things that I can't think

949
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:54,150
of offhand but where would you get such

950
00:42:00,440 --> 00:41:57,780
a strange and crazy perhaps idea of

951
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,450
pastel flowers they don't belong on a

952
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,880
spaceship they don't belong on a mogul

953
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:06,000
balloon but it seems that they were on a

954
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,550
mobile owner and that is my point I

955
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:10,680
think that's a smoking gun well the

956
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,290
problem is as you mentioned earlier is

957
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:15,630
Betsy Brazel Schreiber was her last name

958
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:18,270
she has passed away he said that the

959
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,280
events that she remembered picking up

960
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:22,079
the parts of the balloon did not take

961
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:24,060
place in July of 1947 that her brother

962
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,530
Bill was right she was not at the ranch

963
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:27,839
at the time so where did she get the

964
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:31,710
idea of these pastel flowers let's say

965
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:33,390
that she wasn't even there than that

966
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:35,339
point is irrelevant but let's take a

967
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:37,650
look at that there has been since the

968
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1980s the early 1980s when there was a

969
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:43,589
lot of discussion about the the

970
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:45,569
discussions were beginning without the

971
00:42:51,859 --> 00:42:48,329
the Roswell crash one of the things that

972
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:51,869
Lieber was Jesse Marcel senior may have

973
00:42:57,319 --> 00:42:54,089
been junior but one of them had produced

974
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,329
a sketch of some of the symbology that

975
00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:00,720
they had seen I remembered seeing on the

976
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:02,300
craft and some of them was the

977
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:05,940
disjointed flowers and so the the

978
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:09,359
information was out there in the public

979
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:11,339
arena that which means she may or may

980
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:14,750
not have seen that discussion before she

981
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:17,490
began describing the pastel flowers as

982
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:17,970
well

983
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:21,619
Jesse Marcel jr. had said not that the

984
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:25,910
symbology was pastel in color but it was

985
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:29,970
purple instead a deep purple so we have

986
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:33,119
a conflict in the descriptions of what

987
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:36,599
the symbology look like so the

988
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:38,310
information was out there in the public

989
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:40,140
arena she may have been contaminated she

990
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:42,150
may not have been contaminated by it I

991
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,380
think the important point though is that

992
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:48,960
she was not present at the ranch when

993
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,990
the debris was found but I don't even

994
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,480
know if that matter is the point that

995
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,000
I'm making and why I insist it's a

996
00:44:03,140 --> 00:43:59,940
smoking gun is that as you say there was

997
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:03,150
talk by different people about something

998
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,910
that looks a lot like pastel flowers and

999
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,880
I'm saying that isn't something that you

1000
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:10,740
would be likely to make up and I'm

1001
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saying that they were pastel flowers on

1002
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a mogul balloon and that just sounds

1003
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:19,260
like one in one equals to I I really

1004
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don't if I wanted to be completely

1005
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,900
completely nasty about this thing I'd

1006
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:27,839
point out that that there is no evidence

1007
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:29,220
that there were the flowers on the past

1008
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,650
of the the pastel flowers on the mogul

1009
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:32,880
bloom that is something that Charles

1010
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:35,070
Moore contributed to the discussion and

1011
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:38,550
that sample wouldn't be wouldn't he

1012
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:41,849
remember I mean again why would he make

1013
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,980
it up it's not so let me let me ask you

1014
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,900
but but but see here we are well we've

1015
00:44:52,579 --> 00:44:48,720
got a we say the Charles Moore would

1016
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:52,589
remember this stuff but if I say

1017
00:44:55,579 --> 00:44:54,030
somebody else remembered something so a

1018
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,589
you know the memories are 50 years old

1019
00:44:59,599 --> 00:44:57,720
60 years old so those don't really count

1020
00:45:03,890 --> 00:44:59,609
well what I'm what I'm attempting to say

1021
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:03,900
here is that no one has found a balloon

1022
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:07,020
with that pastel pastel flowers on it no

1023
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,460
one has been able to produce the tape

1024
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,040
nobody has been able to produce anything

1025
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:13,280
that shows that those balloons

1026
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:16,920
carried that paper or to be precise the

1027
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:20,099
radar reflectors carried that tape to be

1028
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,670
found and and the other thing is there

1029
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,500
were no mogul balloons being launched in

1030
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:27,359
New Mexico Charles Moore has made it

1031
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:28,980
very very clear they were not mogul

1032
00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:30,510
balloons they were New York University

1033
00:45:33,819 --> 00:45:31,400
balloons so

1034
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,829
well what I'm saying what I'm saying is

1035
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:35,359
of course a matter of semantics rather

1036
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:38,930
than yes because he is supposed to have

1037
00:45:44,410 --> 00:45:40,940
never and I don't believe this is

1038
00:45:47,499 --> 00:45:44,420
correct but he I think said that he

1039
00:45:49,569 --> 00:45:47,509
always knew it as the New York balloon

1040
00:45:52,269 --> 00:45:49,579
project or something very close to that

1041
00:45:56,349 --> 00:45:52,279
and that he had not heard the word mogul

1042
00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:56,359
at all until what was his name Robert

1043
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:59,240
Todd in him something that he wrote I

1044
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:01,220
brought it up he was the one that

1045
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,710
introduced the mogul term now I don't

1046
00:46:08,109 --> 00:46:06,079
know if that's true or not but we can we

1047
00:46:10,269 --> 00:46:08,119
condemn it we can demonstrate that more

1048
00:46:12,009 --> 00:46:10,279
actually knew the term mogul before that

1049
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:12,019
because in a letter I think it's dated

1050
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:14,990
1960 maybe a little bit later than that

1051
00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:18,049
dr. Crary was introducing more to James

1052
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:19,999
Van Alen they were going to work on some

1053
00:46:25,749 --> 00:46:22,849
project and kerreri was telling Van Alen

1054
00:46:27,759 --> 00:46:25,759
who it was and mentioned that more had

1055
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,769
been working on the mogul project and

1056
00:46:32,499 --> 00:46:29,599
more of course had a copy of that letter

1057
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:32,509
in his file so Moore knew the name prior

1058
00:46:36,849 --> 00:46:34,490
to Robert Todd telling him and he

1059
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:36,859
clearly just forgot it well yeah I think

1060
00:46:42,279 --> 00:46:39,140
you're right about that but I mean I I

1061
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:42,289
don't want to repeat myself but again no

1062
00:46:48,579 --> 00:46:46,130
matter how the details differ or if some

1063
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,589
details are incorrect it seems amazing

1064
00:46:54,999 --> 00:46:51,200
to me that Moore would talk about

1065
00:46:58,089 --> 00:46:55,009
something as strange and unusual for any

1066
00:47:01,690 --> 00:46:58,099
mechanical device to have as pastel

1067
00:47:04,839 --> 00:47:01,700
flowers and that others that saw the

1068
00:47:07,569 --> 00:47:04,849
wreckage also mentioned in one form or

1069
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:07,579
another pastel flowers it just is off

1070
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:09,890
the wall it isn't something you would

1071
00:47:15,579 --> 00:47:12,710
expect to see and therefore it must be

1072
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,589
something that was there and as I said

1073
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:17,599
we don't have a lot of witnesses to talk

1074
00:47:20,589 --> 00:47:19,430
about the pastel flowers you mentioned

1075
00:47:21,999 --> 00:47:20,599
Bessie Brazel and she certainly

1076
00:47:25,089 --> 00:47:22,009
mentioned those things I think Loretta

1077
00:47:26,859 --> 00:47:25,099
Procter talked about pastel flowers but

1078
00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:26,869
she didn't she began talking about it in

1079
00:47:31,569 --> 00:47:30,230
1995 in an earlier testimony she talked

1080
00:47:32,769 --> 00:47:31,579
about symbols but she didn't give a

1081
00:47:34,569 --> 00:47:32,779
color and she didn't give it a

1082
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:34,579
description of what they look like so I

1083
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:36,650
think there's some

1084
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,510
confabulation going on there which is

1085
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:40,730
not to say that Loretta Proctor's

1086
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:42,380
testimony should be rejected it's merely

1087
00:47:46,839 --> 00:47:44,990
that and I think when you get anything

1088
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:46,849
like this this event is people talk

1089
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,089
about it they begin to add details to

1090
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,440
their descriptions that they did not

1091
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:54,079
necessarily observe themselves but they

1092
00:47:57,940 --> 00:47:55,970
heard about other people talking about

1093
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:57,950
so you get so you don't think there were

1094
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:01,280
any pastel flowers I'm in Rivlin on the

1095
00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:03,050
point there is some testimony that

1096
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:04,369
suggests there was there's testimony

1097
00:48:09,250 --> 00:48:07,160
that suggests there wasn't and and one

1098
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:09,260
of the things we hope to do and when I

1099
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:11,570
say I hope the team of researchers that

1100
00:48:15,609 --> 00:48:13,940
are working on the case now if the

1101
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:15,619
results some of those some of those

1102
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:19,040
collections can we pin this down one way

1103
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:21,560
or another in well to a resolution that

1104
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:23,270
would be acceptable to everybody

1105
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:25,670
well now that's what I was going to ask

1106
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:28,760
you next I'm familiar with the dream

1107
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:31,670
team and Jim let's back up on this I

1108
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:33,770
want to basically acquaint our listeners

1109
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:36,040
to this we did mention it briefly on

1110
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:38,630
previous episode when the session we had

1111
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,300
with you and also with Chris rutkowski

1112
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:44,000
who was on last week on the para cast so

1113
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:46,280
let me put the question to Kevin in this

1114
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:48,410
segment okay you set up something called

1115
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:50,810
or worked with others setting up

1116
00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:53,060
something called a Roswell dream team

1117
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:55,400
can you explain the background of it the

1118
00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:56,750
reason for it what you hope to

1119
00:49:01,240 --> 00:48:59,089
accomplish and also name the members

1120
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:01,250
well first of all I think we ought to

1121
00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:03,050
point out is I think Tom Kerry is the

1122
00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:05,480
one that called it sort of a dream team

1123
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:07,460
of the researchers that he'd like to see

1124
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,040
looking at the case as deeply as he

1125
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:12,800
possibly could and what Tom and I had

1126
00:49:19,180 --> 00:49:16,310
done was invite various people who had

1127
00:49:22,329 --> 00:49:19,190
some expertise in the case David rhew

1128
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,339
diac for example because of his work on

1129
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:25,520
the Ramey memo and if and if we can come

1130
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:27,619
to a consensus of what the rating memo

1131
00:49:31,329 --> 00:49:29,720
says the reigning memo being this this

1132
00:49:34,569 --> 00:49:31,339
document that he's holding and those

1133
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:34,579
pictures taken on July 8 1947 so I mean

1134
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:35,990
it's the Providence is there it's

1135
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,329
Raimi's holding the darn good darn thing

1136
00:49:45,819 --> 00:49:41,119
if we can come to a point where we can

1137
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,829
resolve that memo better so that we can

1138
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:48,640
read it more easily and if it says as

1139
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:49,730
dr.

1140
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:51,710
Rudy ak suggests that it says victims of

1141
00:49:58,990 --> 00:49:54,830
the wreck and talks about the Roswell

1142
00:50:02,440 --> 00:49:59,000
case now pretty well changes there the

1143
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:02,450
content of the conversation if we cannot

1144
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:04,490
resolve that then we're left with the

1145
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:07,490
same ambiguous discussion that we've had

1146
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,119
in the past so the demons made of people

1147
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:13,520
who have some expertise in the Roswell

1148
00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:15,950
case some people who have been

1149
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:17,600
researching it for a long time we

1150
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:20,420
invited Chris Bukowski on it it's sort

1151
00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:25,010
of our resident skeptic and and finding

1152
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,220
finding a skeptic to join the team was

1153
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:31,040
was something of a delicate situation

1154
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:33,380
because we didn't want someone who was

1155
00:50:39,790 --> 00:50:37,550
so rapidly anti Roswell that nothing

1156
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:39,800
that we produced would ever convince

1157
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:42,170
them that that Roswell was ACTU

1158
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:44,450
terrestrial we wanted we wanted someone

1159
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:47,150
with a with a good mind and someone who

1160
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:48,740
would look at the evidence from a

1161
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:50,030
skeptical point of view and saying yeah

1162
00:50:54,099 --> 00:50:51,500
you guys didn't make the case here

1163
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:54,109
you've got to do do something more so

1164
00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:56,810
we've got we've got Tom Kerry working on

1165
00:51:04,690 --> 00:50:58,730
the team we've got Don Schmidt we've got

1166
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,700
Chris Bukowski and we have Tony Gregory

1167
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:07,040
yeah yeah Greg Galia thank you thank you

1168
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,100
Jim working on the team and what we what

1169
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:12,800
we're trying to do is look at it as sort

1170
00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:15,050
of a cold case and I'll tell you what

1171
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:18,040
we'll explore the implications

1172
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:20,660
I got to the break we'll explore the

1173
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:22,609
implications of the Roswell dream team

1174
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:25,460
and looking at it as a cold case and not

1175
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:28,130
like the former TV show you're with gene

1176
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:41,280
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1179
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1190
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1191
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1192
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1193
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1194
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:26,260
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1195
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,710
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1196
00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:28,480
forcing taxes to service debt this

1197
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:30,340
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1198
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:31,810
stating a central bank issuing the

1199
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:33,430
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1200
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,570
the liberties of the people than a

1201
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:35,920
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1202
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:37,360
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1203
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,190
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1204
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1205
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:45,850
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1206
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:49,100
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1207
00:53:03,210 --> 00:52:58,900
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1208
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1209
00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:10,310
here's Jane Steinberg with Jeana and

1210
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,350
Chris the flies on the wall talking to

1211
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:14,420
Jim Mosely and Kevin Randall Kevin's new

1212
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,490
book is called reflections of a UFO

1213
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:19,280
investigator Jim is editor publisher of

1214
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:21,490
saucer smear and Kevin you were

1215
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,230
basically defining further after

1216
00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:26,390
mentioning the members the mission of

1217
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:29,240
the Roswell dream team looking at this

1218
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:31,610
is a cold case does that mean basically

1219
00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:33,800
throwing away all your conclusions and

1220
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,660
just starting over looking at the

1221
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:38,000
information to see what you can decide

1222
00:53:42,070 --> 00:53:40,040
might be the cause behind it well I

1223
00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:42,080
think if you if you look at the team

1224
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:44,260
membership you've got a couple of people

1225
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:47,150
in to point fingers specifically Tom

1226
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:48,890
Kelly and Don Schmidt who are rapidly in

1227
00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:52,160
the extraterrestrial camp I felt that

1228
00:53:56,350 --> 00:53:53,720
way I think I think it was

1229
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:56,360
extraterrestrial to I like to think I

1230
00:54:01,000 --> 00:53:59,090
hope I can that I can look at the I look

1231
00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:01,010
at the evidence and go where it takes us

1232
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:04,360
Tony I think is is pretty rapidly in the

1233
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:06,740
extraterrestrial camp and I think Chris

1234
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,510
is pretty much on the other side of the

1235
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:10,400
the fan so I kind of straddle the fence

1236
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,920
Chris is all alone on one side and and

1237
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:14,720
the other team members but and and David

1238
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:16,610
rhew diac of course are on the other

1239
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:18,530
side of the fence now the one question I

1240
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:20,650
think all of us had about putting Tony

1241
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:23,840
regalia on the team is that there's a

1242
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:26,570
questionable nature of his claim that

1243
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:29,840
the Socorro New Mexico case was a fraud

1244
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:32,300
dreamed up by college students do you

1245
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:34,610
think that makes him a more or less

1246
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:36,890
credible person to have on your group

1247
00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:40,880
yeah thanks you're very welcome my

1248
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:42,800
friend well I think what it does is I

1249
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:45,230
mean I disagree with Tony's analysis of

1250
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:46,970
the Korell case I think I think he's

1251
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:49,310
wrong on that but it also suggests that

1252
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:51,380
we can look at the cases from different

1253
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:53,300
points of view and still work work as

1254
00:54:58,780 --> 00:54:56,930
team members there was originally the

1255
00:55:00,490 --> 00:54:58,790
idea that it wasn't actually college

1256
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:00,500
students who had done it but it was high

1257
00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:02,510
school students who done it set

1258
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:05,150
something up to get even with Lonnie

1259
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:08,150
Zamora back in back in the 1960s

1260
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:10,970
like excuse me one it would have to be

1261
00:55:15,850 --> 00:55:12,770
college kids not

1262
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:15,860
I never heard high school kids mentioned

1263
00:55:21,370 --> 00:55:18,410
I think fill class mentioned high school

1264
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:21,380
students in his book but but and maybe

1265
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:22,850
that's maybe that's a misnomer on my

1266
00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:25,250
part but I know Tony rapidly suggested

1267
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,100
it was the students at the School of

1268
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:31,520
Mines there in the New Mexico Institute

1269
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:35,630
they're in well the idea is that Lonnie

1270
00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:39,140
Zamora supposedly was a very hard-nosed

1271
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:42,560
cop and had been unkind to the college

1272
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:45,020
students and had arrested them for

1273
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:49,010
speeding unnecessarily or too often or

1274
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:51,290
so honored that they were dying to get

1275
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:53,540
even with him and no doubt they might

1276
00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:55,910
have been but whatever was seeing there

1277
00:56:02,260 --> 00:56:00,200
was a highly advanced craft and I would

1278
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:02,270
think you'd need a lot of time and money

1279
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,750
and expertise to build anything like

1280
00:56:11,230 --> 00:56:07,940
that and I think it's off the wall to

1281
00:56:13,690 --> 00:56:11,240
think it was a hoax I I love hoaxes but

1282
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:13,700
I don't think that's one of them I agree

1283
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:15,050
with you I don't think it was one either

1284
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:17,180
but I think what it demonstrates is the

1285
00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:18,530
team members can come to devise

1286
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:20,900
divergent opinions and still discuss

1287
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:23,890
things rationally and I know that Tony's

1288
00:56:28,330 --> 00:56:26,870
enthusiasm sometimes take rain but there

1289
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:28,340
are other members of the team to hold

1290
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:30,590
those enthusiasm is in check he's very

1291
00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:32,330
good at finding people he's very good at

1292
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:34,700
talking to this he is a good researcher

1293
00:56:39,970 --> 00:56:37,910
he's very good at digging and and so and

1294
00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:39,980
we've got a long list of names and phone

1295
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:42,740
numbers of people who were at Roswell in

1296
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:45,590
1947 I know Tony published something on

1297
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:48,140
his blog not too long ago where he was

1298
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:50,600
really annoyed at a couple of guys who

1299
00:56:53,770 --> 00:56:51,830
said well they weren't even there or

1300
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:53,780
denied their service and he thought that

1301
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:55,730
was just outrageous for them to do so I

1302
00:57:02,170 --> 00:56:58,370
disagree with him on that bad analysis

1303
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:02,180
but why why do you disagree with him on

1304
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:05,630
that particular point well I know yes

1305
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:07,580
let us say let us say for the sake of

1306
00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:09,290
argument that Raza was extraterrestrial

1307
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:10,820
and you have a number of people involved

1308
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:13,130
in it and they are told at that time do

1309
00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:14,840
not talk about this ever

1310
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:16,100
don't mention it don't say anything

1311
00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:19,220
about it and so now we get 60 years into

1312
00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:21,830
the future and somebody calls them cold

1313
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:23,480
and wants to talk about this and they

1314
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:25,150
remembering what they were told back in

1315
00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:27,500
1947 and and the easiest way to get the

1316
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:29,270
guy off the phone I wasn't even there

1317
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:32,510
so I you know I mean it's I don't

1318
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:35,300
understand his whole point on that

1319
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:37,850
particular item because it doesn't seem

1320
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,210
to me that a man would deny that he was

1321
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:44,000
in the service and was ever present at

1322
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:46,490
that location at that time because I

1323
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,330
suppose that could be proven his oath of

1324
00:57:56,290 --> 00:57:53,510
silence wouldn't it's made ridiculous

1325
00:57:58,420 --> 00:57:56,300
you might say by him denying that he was

1326
00:58:00,010 --> 00:57:58,430
even there I think it's the quickest way

1327
00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:00,020
to get somebody off the phone while you

1328
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:01,820
got the wrong guy it wasn't me I wasn't

1329
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:02,210
there

1330
00:58:06,490 --> 00:58:05,000
yeah well maybe so you know I mean I've

1331
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,500
conducted an awful lot of these

1332
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:08,240
discussions and I remember calling one

1333
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,970
guy and I knew exactly who it was and

1334
00:58:15,580 --> 00:58:13,040
his response to me was I don't know who

1335
00:58:16,930 --> 00:58:15,590
you are I don't know what's classified I

1336
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:16,940
don't know what's still classified I

1337
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:18,290
don't know what's been Declassified and

1338
00:58:21,550 --> 00:58:20,060
I'm not going to talk to you well that's

1339
00:58:23,859 --> 00:58:21,560
the end of that discussion pretty much

1340
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:23,869
at that point so I can understand it's

1341
00:58:26,650 --> 00:58:25,190
the easiest way to get somebody off the

1342
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:26,660
phone that you got the wrong guy I've

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00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,510
talked to and and this is I kind of tell

1344
00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:32,000
the story of about dual antennas Glenn

1345
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,660
Dennis was was mad at Don and me because

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00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,000
we hadn't found his nurse yet the for

1347
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:40,640
their famous Miami self yes and I said I

1348
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:42,320
said you have to understand there are a

1349
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:44,210
lot of people in the country that have

1350
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:46,550
the same name I said for example I was

1351
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:47,930
talking to you we're looking for Robert

1352
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:49,880
Slusher and I talked to a guy just this

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:53,180
afternoon who had been in the Army Air

1354
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:54,890
Forces had been been a member of the Air

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00:59:00,099 --> 00:58:57,530
Corps had been in World War two and it's

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00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:00,109
the wrong guy and Glenn Dennis said to

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00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,670
me oh I know Bob slushee lives over in

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00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:03,680
Alamogordo and I called over and it was

1359
00:59:06,580 --> 00:59:05,210
the right guy but I mean the point

1360
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:06,590
simply is there's a lot of people with

1361
00:59:13,570 --> 00:59:10,430
the same names but do you agree with me

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00:59:15,130 --> 00:59:13,580
that by now we know as a fact that the

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nurse did not exist

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00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:17,390
under any name I would agree with you on

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00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:19,790
that yes okay thank you because I I

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00:59:26,050 --> 00:59:23,720
remember and it sounds odd but I'm

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00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:26,060
pretty sure it's true it was Popular

1368
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:29,240
Mechanics a number of years ago that

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00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:31,730
sent somebody out to look for the nurse

1370
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:35,000
they found only one they're still alive

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00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:38,570
from that year at that hospital and she

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00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:41,300
was in a nursing home and she hopefully

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00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:43,640
still had her mind together and she did

1374
00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:47,780
not remember nurse by any name that fit

1375
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:51,140
the description that we got we can go

1376
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:53,420
further we had we had the name and Glen

1377
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,980
Dennis's tale that the nurses had been

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00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:56,720
killed in an airplane the nurse had been

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01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:58,220
killed in an aircraft accident that

1380
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:00,080
killed five nurses in Europe well Don

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:02,210
Berliner went to Stars and Stripes which

1382
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:04,490
is a military newspaper printed overseas

1383
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:05,840
for the soldiers and could find nothing

1384
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:07,670
to a story I went through the New York

1385
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:10,040
Times back in the pre-internet days

1386
01:00:15,490 --> 01:00:13,160
the New York Times printed an index so I

1387
01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:15,500
went through the indexes from 1947 to I

1388
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:17,780
think 1954 looking for aircraft

1389
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:19,310
accidents because they're listed in

1390
01:00:22,510 --> 01:00:20,510
there and you could you could find it we

1391
01:00:25,450 --> 01:00:22,520
could find no evidence of an aircraft

1392
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:25,460
accident killed five army nurses call

1393
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:27,650
you back found 20 nurses who had been

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01:00:32,410 --> 01:00:30,050
assigned to either the base in that

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01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:32,420
timeframe or had been assigned to other

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01:00:38,290 --> 01:00:35,270
hospitals that dealt with the military

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01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:38,300
in that timeframe and couldn't couldn't

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01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:39,950
come up with the name of the nurse

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01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:41,900
there's a there was a listing of a

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hundred and twenty five thousand nurses

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01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,390
from the World War two ERA that was that

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01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:49,040
had been collected and her name didn't

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01:00:53,620 --> 01:00:52,220
appear on any of those roles and once we

1404
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,630
got to the point we could say with

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confidence that there was no woman by

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01:00:59,860 --> 01:00:58,160
this name as a nurse at the base in

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01:01:02,650 --> 01:00:59,870
Roswell or any of the hospitals in

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Roswell however you want to do to set

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01:01:06,550 --> 01:01:05,150
your search parameters and Glenn Dennis

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says oh well I didn't tell you guys the

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01:01:12,490 --> 01:01:11,090
real name well you know I would point

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:12,500
out Jim what I was going to point out

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:15,410
though it simply is it's simply this he

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gave us the name he told us what he told

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01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:19,850
he told me incompetence what it was and

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01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:21,470
said don't tell anybody and then

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:23,030
proceeded to tell everybody else in the

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01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:25,130
free world what the name was we looked

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01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:27,260
for that nurse and once we could once we

1420
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:30,710
eliminated that name as a Nerds his

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01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:32,330
answer was I didn't give you the real

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01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:34,070
name real name I told you I was going to

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01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:35,780
give you the real name and and and

1424
01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:37,670
that's not exactly what he said it did

1425
01:01:42,850 --> 01:01:39,830
change the parameters need lied about it

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01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:42,860
so you know wouldn't wouldn't you have a

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right to be very angry at Glenn Dennis

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that's a

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and the other researchers yes a great

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amount of trouble for absolutely nothing

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:57,370
yes yes yes I a police office and I

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01:02:02,460 --> 01:01:59,770
spent 250 dollars on a search for the

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name using using databases or that are

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01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:05,530
accessible to the police I mean we went

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to a lot of effort yes I was very

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annoyed about that and and i think in in

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boy and i'm supposed to be pushing the

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reflections of a UFO investigator but in

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the Randall report published in 1997 I

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01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:21,220
repeated the Glendon a story at that

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point next week on the power cast will

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have a special all-star episode where we

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flock my bookshelf oh no you didn't Carl

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ended back to me send it back to me and

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I'll sign it

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of course I'm lying I won't send it back

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to you but I will sign it okay that's

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what I was afraid of yeah no actually I

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don't have any copies of it myself

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except my own copy with Glenn Dennis I I

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find him fascinating because other than

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professor Moore that I think the only

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Roswell witness that I have interviewed

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myself is Glenn Dennis I went there to

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the museum once I think that I was there

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two or three times I forget which time I

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talked to him and he was very nice and

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very talkative I thought he was a little

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odd he said you know you come at a very

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bad time today this is just one day that

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I'm terribly busy I don't know how much

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I can talk to you and he talks for about

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an hour or something and he said oh

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there's something I got to do don't go

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away I'll be right back and and he did

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that two or three times and he always

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came back and you know and he ended up

1602
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talking at least two or three hours plus

1603
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the time in between and I figured

1604
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:58,799
correctly I think well this guy likes to

1605
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:01,620
talk and he does you know what's

1606
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:03,810
interesting about it is Peter always say

1607
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:05,160
well I can't talk about it I want to

1608
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:07,049
tell you the story you know don't want

1609
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:08,700
to be interviewed and yet he always

1610
01:09:12,289 --> 01:09:10,230
would sit down to the cameras with one

1611
01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:12,299
exception and I don't know what the guys

1612
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,980
did to offend him but he wouldn't sit

1613
01:09:17,750 --> 01:09:15,839
down with them but everybody else that

1614
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:17,760
has ever ever approached him to talk to

1615
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,319
him he's always been very open and very

1616
01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:21,839
very talkative about about what he had

1617
01:09:26,599 --> 01:09:23,910
seen like you I just don't believe a

1618
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:26,609
story is he in a nursing home or

1619
01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:29,310
something now I heard that the last I

1620
01:09:34,939 --> 01:09:31,680
heard he was extremely ill and I don't

1621
01:09:36,979 --> 01:09:34,949
know I don't know if he survived too

1622
01:09:40,819 --> 01:09:36,989
this point or not I really don't know

1623
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,829
one other thing that you know it took me

1624
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,440
years to come to the conclusion that I'm

1625
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,259
trying to mention to you and I guess I'm

1626
01:09:51,699 --> 01:09:48,839
a very slow on the uptake I think I two

1627
01:09:54,259 --> 01:09:51,709
years ago had the wish that this was

1628
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,269
interplanetary which stopped me from

1629
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:56,699
seeing obvious things and that was the

1630
01:10:01,969 --> 01:09:59,699
whole idea that I understand it that the

1631
01:10:04,879 --> 01:10:01,979
military called him on the phone at the

1632
01:10:07,729 --> 01:10:04,889
funeral home and asked him to prepare I

1633
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:07,739
forget three four five small cosmic

1634
01:10:12,259 --> 01:10:10,289
coffins because I don't know if they

1635
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:12,269
went on and said exactly why they needed

1636
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:13,170
them but and ie

1637
01:10:19,489 --> 01:10:16,380
as I think about it now what insanity if

1638
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:19,499
you can thing within the planetary

1639
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:22,050
bodies and it's so highly classified

1640
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:26,219
that people are threatened and made to

1641
01:10:31,759 --> 01:10:29,369
hush up forever about it which you just

1642
01:10:33,919 --> 01:10:31,769
casually go to the phone and call the

1643
01:10:36,529 --> 01:10:33,929
local Undertaker for some coffins don't

1644
01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:36,539
you think that's impossible

1645
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,670
well not necessarily impossible but I

1646
01:10:42,919 --> 01:10:40,800
think it's highly unlikely and and like

1647
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:42,929
I said I just I do not believe that as a

1648
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:45,659
story and and here again on the Roswell

1649
01:10:52,219 --> 01:10:49,409
team I am in disagreement with Tom Kerry

1650
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:52,229
and Don Schmidt on that they they still

1651
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:53,699
think there's something valuable in the

1652
01:10:57,709 --> 01:10:55,590
Glenn Dennis testimony but I I think

1653
01:10:59,359 --> 01:10:57,719
once he pulled pulled that stunt where

1654
01:11:00,799 --> 01:10:59,369
well I didn't give you guys a real name

1655
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:00,809
and I told you it wasn't going to be the

1656
01:11:04,669 --> 01:11:02,280
real name when he pulled that stunt that

1657
01:11:06,649 --> 01:11:04,679
was where he lost me completely oh well

1658
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:06,659
I don't know I don't I don't blame you

1659
01:11:12,109 --> 01:11:10,050
at all but and and other things I mean

1660
01:11:14,029 --> 01:11:12,119
that he should have known he took us to

1661
01:11:15,859 --> 01:11:14,039
the the base hospital and he showed it

1662
01:11:18,589 --> 01:11:15,869
showed us the back door where they they

1663
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:18,599
carried the stuff in but in 1947 the

1664
01:11:22,129 --> 01:11:20,610
base the base hospital that he took us

1665
01:11:25,129 --> 01:11:22,139
to didn't exist I was built in like

1666
01:11:28,819 --> 01:11:25,139
nineteen and I'm thinking I'm thinking

1667
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:28,829
that that had he been involved in this

1668
01:11:33,699 --> 01:11:32,130
event he probably should have remembered

1669
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:33,709
what the base hospital looked like in

1670
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:36,719
1947 and and there were other little

1671
01:11:39,949 --> 01:11:38,429
little things like that he was talking

1672
01:11:42,529 --> 01:11:39,959
about this big romance with the nurse

1673
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,539
but he was married in 1947 and his wife

1674
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:44,880
was pregnant well that wouldn't that

1675
01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:47,329
wouldn't necessarily stop him

1676
01:11:51,310 --> 01:11:48,720
yeah but

1677
01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:51,320
I'm just saying I mean that that goes to

1678
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:53,550
suggest something about the character of

1679
01:11:58,370 --> 01:11:56,070
the man and and just add that to

1680
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,380
everything else let me ask you this

1681
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:01,440
which is far more important as far as I

1682
01:12:08,030 --> 01:12:04,710
know the last witness who was talking

1683
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:08,040
about dead bodies was a Glenn - is it

1684
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:10,890
true do I have the right impression that

1685
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:14,130
all the previous people Anderson and a

1686
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:15,720
bunch of others are have their names

1687
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:18,090
here and you know they are is it true

1688
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:22,430
that as of now there are no stories

1689
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:25,530
involving actual bodies that are

1690
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:28,470
considered believable that that's not

1691
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:29,040
true

1692
01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:31,910
I think peppy head what what what story

1693
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:34,350
involving bodies do you still consider

1694
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:37,320
to be true there's a number of them

1695
01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:39,270
Pappy Henderson for example talked to

1696
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:41,700
his to his wife about it there's there's

1697
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:44,820
Frank Iero but I know Carl in his book

1698
01:12:49,670 --> 01:12:47,790
had eliminated the de firefighters from

1699
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:49,680
from the story and what's interesting

1700
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:52,110
there when we talked to one of the

1701
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:54,840
firefighters that that Carl Carl had

1702
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:56,310
interviewed and as I'm interviewing this

1703
01:12:59,870 --> 01:12:57,960
guy he's telling me especially the same

1704
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:59,880
thing he told Carl that they weren't

1705
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,260
involved they didn't go out they didn't

1706
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:02,880
see anything okay you're talking about

1707
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:05,910
Carl ah yes all flock so that's right so

1708
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:07,320
I asked the guy another question oh they

1709
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,580
don't think Carl asking the question I

1710
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:10,080
said did you know Dan Dwyer who was

1711
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:11,910
Frankie Roe's father he said oh yeah dad

1712
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:14,100
went out and I said what and he said

1713
01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:15,690
yeah Dan went out there he said a

1714
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:17,160
colonel came from the base and I've

1715
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:18,330
always wondered why it's always a

1716
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:19,800
colonel it's never a captain there were

1717
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:21,690
major toys a colonel came out from the

1718
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:23,190
base and said you guys don't have to go

1719
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:25,410
out on this one we've got it covered so

1720
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:27,540
just forget forget about the whole thing

1721
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:30,090
but Dan Dwyer went out in his personal

1722
01:13:34,220 --> 01:13:32,670
car and he talked to he talked to his

1723
01:13:36,710 --> 01:13:34,230
daughter Frankie and he talked to his

1724
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:36,720
other daughter who's now Helen Cahill I

1725
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:38,970
think it is talked about having seen

1726
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:40,620
seeing the body so there are some

1727
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:43,500
credible stories about the bodies that

1728
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:45,810
are still around the problem is we get

1729
01:13:49,190 --> 01:13:47,640
we get mixed up with people like as you

1730
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:49,200
mentioned Gerald Anderson who clearly

1731
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:50,970
wasn't telling the truth we get mixed up

1732
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:53,670
with Frank Hoffman who clearly wasn't

1733
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:55,050
telling the truth and I'll be the first

1734
01:13:59,840 --> 01:13:56,760
admit I believe Frank Hoffman when he

1735
01:14:01,190 --> 01:13:59,850
when he started talking to us and and we

1736
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:01,200
would we would find little

1737
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,650
corroborations for Frank

1738
01:14:07,170 --> 01:14:04,000
and his pictures in the yearbook the

1739
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:07,180
1947 yearbook produced by Walter Haught

1740
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:09,610
so clearly he's in Roswell in 1947 he's

1741
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,710
associated with the base they're giving

1742
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:13,600
him some medal in the picture and

1743
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:15,580
looking at it closely I think it's a

1744
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,110
world war ii victory medal so i don't

1745
01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:18,640
know why there was a big presentation

1746
01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:20,620
for that medal cuz everybody who served

1747
01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:23,200
in world war ii got it so there were

1748
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,820
there were some little collaborations

1749
01:14:28,020 --> 01:14:26,320
for Frank Kaufmann but it turned out

1750
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:28,030
that Frank Hoffman was forging documents

1751
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:31,930
and making up the story and and I freely

1752
01:14:35,580 --> 01:14:33,400
admit that I believed him in the

1753
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:35,590
beginning he seemed to be very credible

1754
01:14:41,070 --> 01:14:37,930
to me seemed to be at night you think

1755
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:41,080
that there are still you sound like two

1756
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:44,590
or three stories that you there are some

1757
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:46,450
yes there are some there are some good

1758
01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:48,970
stories that talk about the bodies and

1759
01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:50,680
and we're finding we're finding some

1760
01:14:54,540 --> 01:14:52,390
things and granted some of the stuff

1761
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:54,550
that were one covering now isn't isn't

1762
01:14:59,580 --> 01:14:56,830
all that exciting I talked to a guy last

1763
01:15:01,470 --> 01:14:59,590
week or two weeks ago who was not

1764
01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:01,480
directly involved I mean he was at the

1765
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:03,460
base at the time and was not directly

1766
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:04,930
involved by the way the guy was a is a

1767
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Packers fan in case you're interested

1768
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:10,390
Green Bay Packers I didn't know that but

1769
01:15:14,970 --> 01:15:13,090
we were we were talking and he said that

1770
01:15:16,650 --> 01:15:14,980
his friends had had been involved in it

1771
01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:16,660
and they told him a little bit about it

1772
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:18,460
but clearly we all agree something

1773
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:20,470
something fell near Roswell and the

1774
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:22,300
government the military recovered it so

1775
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:23,530
now we're now we're to the point of

1776
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:25,210
let's see if we can figure out what the

1777
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heck it was we're going to figure this

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out first we have Kevin Randle Jim

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1885
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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1886
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:01,100
listening to the Peres Cass

1887
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[Music]

1888
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:10,960
we are the flies on the wall

1889
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:13,449
we're not the men in black the galaxy

1890
01:20:18,660 --> 01:20:15,249
protectors but the Flies on the wall

1891
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:18,670
gene Steinberg Chris O'Brien with Kevin

1892
01:20:23,219 --> 01:20:20,860
Randle and Jim Mosely and Kevin wondered

1893
01:20:25,529 --> 01:20:23,229
between the two segments why we haven't

1894
01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:25,539
jumped in with too many questions and

1895
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:27,400
the reason is a Jim is doing all the

1896
01:20:37,739 --> 01:20:35,199
jumping in well thank you I hope you're

1897
01:20:41,129 --> 01:20:37,749
paying Jim for his for his interviewing

1898
01:20:44,939 --> 01:20:41,139
of me he gets a free pot let me say this

1899
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,949
Kevin I read the book and I was very

1900
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:47,920
interested in several of the other cases

1901
01:20:53,219 --> 01:20:51,249
that you talk about investigating some

1902
01:20:55,859 --> 01:20:53,229
of them you found to be hoaxes and

1903
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:55,869
laughing ones that I would assume to be

1904
01:21:00,989 --> 01:20:58,840
hoaxes so you know the whole book was in

1905
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:00,999
Roswell although about a third of it was

1906
01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:04,210
I have to say that in regard to these

1907
01:21:08,549 --> 01:21:06,760
other cases in my opinion you seem like

1908
01:21:11,969 --> 01:21:08,559
you're down the middle and you're ready

1909
01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:11,979
to go either way but I insist as I have

1910
01:21:16,259 --> 01:21:14,619
and smear and now that I've taken you

1911
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:16,269
off the mailing list you may not have

1912
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:20,590
seen smear recently but I really think

1913
01:21:26,669 --> 01:21:23,920
that you are obsessed is a mean word but

1914
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:26,679
I I think that you are totally biased

1915
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:31,210
about Roswell only that one case because

1916
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:33,940
you obviously have a very strong will to

1917
01:21:38,759 --> 01:21:37,150
believe which is not a fatal flaw but it

1918
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:38,769
makes it hard to do an impartial

1919
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,409
investigation I would say I would I

1920
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,360
would argue your point that I'm obsessed

1921
01:21:48,509 --> 01:21:46,239
with the case because I obviously I get

1922
01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:48,519
off involved in other investigations

1923
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:50,409
such as the roads

1924
01:21:55,529 --> 01:21:52,449
photograph the Willingham investigation

1925
01:21:57,930 --> 01:21:55,539
was really annoyed me and I try to take

1926
01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:57,940
an unbiased look and I try to look at

1927
01:22:02,189 --> 01:22:00,280
the at the Roswell case and and I'll

1928
01:22:03,509 --> 01:22:02,199
grant you that I'm certainly leaning in

1929
01:22:05,219 --> 01:22:03,519
that direction I'd certainly biased

1930
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:05,229
toward the Roswell case but I try to

1931
01:22:08,339 --> 01:22:07,090
look at all the evidence that's there

1932
01:22:10,620 --> 01:22:08,349
and we've uncovered some interesting

1933
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,630
things about project mogul that will be

1934
01:22:14,009 --> 01:22:12,639
coming out as soon as we nail down some

1935
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:14,019
of them some of the facts and figures

1936
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:16,210
one of the things we're attempting to do

1937
01:22:20,729 --> 01:22:18,130
is according to everything that we have

1938
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,739
is project mogul the launches in New

1939
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:21,520
Mexico

1940
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:24,250
they were required to notify and

1941
01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:26,170
according to Charles Moore the El Paso

1942
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,660
FAA station about the launches so they

1943
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:29,920
could produce a note on the notice to

1944
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:33,310
Airmen about this possible aerial hazard

1945
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,060
to navigation aerial navigation and so

1946
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,040
we're trying to we're trying to find an

1947
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:41,920
archive of those know times if such a

1948
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:43,810
thing exists to see so we can see

1949
01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:45,550
exactly what it said because I think

1950
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:46,870
that would be important thing to learn

1951
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,580
what what did the note and say to

1952
01:22:52,830 --> 01:22:50,800
describe what the balloons and the

1953
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:52,840
arrays look like did it did it give you

1954
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,610
some interesting details or was it just

1955
01:22:58,590 --> 01:22:56,560
be on the lookout for a big balloon

1956
01:23:00,120 --> 01:22:58,600
display or something like that be

1957
01:23:02,910 --> 01:23:00,130
interesting to see what that said and

1958
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,920
compare with some other things so we're

1959
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:04,480
looking for those things to see if we

1960
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,820
can nail down some of this stuff well

1961
01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:09,040
let me ask you there's five of you and

1962
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:10,990
as you explain yourself

1963
01:23:16,410 --> 01:23:14,050
you've all got slightly different views

1964
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:16,420
on the Roswell case and that's to be

1965
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:19,210
understood but are you saying that you

1966
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:21,850
really believe that you can get all five

1967
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:25,210
of these people to at the end of your

1968
01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:28,030
investigation just sign off on all the

1969
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:30,700
same points and that you will all be in

1970
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:33,220
total agreement on the final answer no I

1971
01:23:36,540 --> 01:23:34,930
don't I don't think that we're going to

1972
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:36,550
do that I would hope that we could do

1973
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:38,770
that but I'm not sure that we'll be able

1974
01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:41,890
to do that I mean with dr.rudi acts memo

1975
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:45,670
the Ramey memo you know I've been an

1976
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:48,190
outspoken critic of the methodology used

1977
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,890
to decipher the memo and dr.rudi acas

1978
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:52,840
well aware of that and I know Tom Kerry

1979
01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:54,730
and I have not really argued the point

1980
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:56,500
but discussed the point on a number of

1981
01:24:00,600 --> 01:23:58,690
occasions he believes that the the memo

1982
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:00,610
says victims of the rack on the first

1983
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:03,460
line I not sure that you can decipher it

1984
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:05,290
that closely to decide that there are

1985
01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:07,330
points but but the other side of the

1986
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:08,620
coin the Air Force said when they were

1987
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:09,850
looking at the memo what we can't

1988
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,170
decipher anything with a kid with a

1989
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:12,880
magnifying glass can see Fort Worth

1990
01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:14,890
Texas and water balloons in the memo so

1991
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,540
there are points that you can read and

1992
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:18,400
you can read them pretty clearly so the

1993
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:19,510
Air Force saying well we couldn't read

1994
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:21,130
anything is as bogus

1995
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:23,530
I think as people saying well we can

1996
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:26,850
read the whole memo so I think you're

1997
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:29,410
probably wasting your time there you're

1998
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:32,290
just on the borderline of perception

1999
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:35,020
you're in - yes an area where

2000
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,270
you could almost I said I could imagine

2001
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:39,760
that you could read it in all sincerity

2002
01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:43,180
and see one thing and I can read it in

2003
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:44,920
all sincerity and see something

2004
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:47,650
different yes absolutely our background

2005
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:49,570
belief is different but what I'm hoping

2006
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:52,120
is as our technology improves that we

2007
01:24:57,210 --> 01:24:54,040
might be able to determine what it says

2008
01:24:59,460 --> 01:24:57,220
to reach a reasonable consensus and I

2009
01:25:01,470 --> 01:24:59,470
think if you watch the old in search up

2010
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:01,480
program a number of years ago they had a

2011
01:25:06,030 --> 01:25:03,310
thing on Anastasia and whether Anna

2012
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:06,040
Anderson was really Anastasia the woman

2013
01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:07,150
who claimed to be the wolf

2014
01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:09,670
the missing daughter of the Czar and at

2015
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,750
the end of the program you know I said

2016
01:25:14,730 --> 01:25:12,880
well we may never know well we do know

2017
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:14,740
because when that program has made

2018
01:25:18,570 --> 01:25:16,570
nobody had ever heard of DNA testing and

2019
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:18,580
of course the bodies of the Czar and his

2020
01:25:23,190 --> 01:25:21,010
family hadn't been found but now we have

2021
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:23,200
DNA testing and we can say that Anna

2022
01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:25,990
Anderson was not Anastasia well you have

2023
01:25:31,770 --> 01:25:29,080
a very very interesting point I saw that

2024
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:31,780
movie I think with Ingrid Bergman if I'm

2025
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:34,630
right and it's a lovely movie and you

2026
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:37,210
know they certainly steer you into a a

2027
01:25:44,910 --> 01:25:41,050
wishful thinking error or belief that it

2028
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:44,920
really is her and I I don't follow it

2029
01:25:50,370 --> 01:25:47,410
closely but you're absolutely right we

2030
01:25:53,850 --> 01:25:50,380
know for sure now that it wasn't and

2031
01:25:57,150 --> 01:25:53,860
it's kind of sad in a way because I wish

2032
01:25:59,520 --> 01:25:57,160
it had been her yes so do III agree but

2033
01:26:00,900 --> 01:25:59,530
what I'm saying is as our technology

2034
01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:00,910
develops and I know that there are two

2035
01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:03,640
different groups now attempting to apply

2036
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,540
some of this new technology to the Raimi

2037
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:09,040
memo to see if they can read it better

2038
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:11,350
I'm of the opinion that it's not a

2039
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:13,270
digital photograph it's a regular

2040
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:15,010
photograph and the halides of silver are

2041
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:16,330
pretty much halides it's silver and I

2042
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:18,310
don't know though that we're able going

2043
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:19,690
to be able to resolve it to a point

2044
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:22,210
where we can get a consensus reading of

2045
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:24,310
the memo but I think it's something that

2046
01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:25,870
we need to look at and so that's one of

2047
01:26:30,510 --> 01:26:28,180
the things that we're going to do we're

2048
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:30,520
trying to develop some documentation

2049
01:26:35,850 --> 01:26:33,490
some some additional documentation that

2050
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:35,860
may give us some better better knowledge

2051
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:37,420
of this one of the things was the the

2052
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:40,210
so-called Hoover memo were Air Force the

2053
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:42,040
Air Force had asked the FBI to

2054
01:26:47,730 --> 01:26:44,230
investigate actually the backgrounds of

2055
01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:47,740
UFO witnesses and Hoover had written on

2056
01:26:50,970 --> 01:26:48,790
the back of it something

2057
01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:50,980
the effect I would think we should do

2058
01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:52,990
this but we need to be given full access

2059
01:27:00,480 --> 01:26:56,350
to this recovery I'm familiar with that

2060
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:00,490
yeah well and it says in the LA case but

2061
01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:02,140
you can interpret that LA in a number of

2062
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:04,270
different ways it could be SW for

2063
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:06,640
Southwest it could be 2a it could be so

2064
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:09,400
for Soviet but but what we found was a

2065
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:12,010
typewritten version of that in another

2066
01:27:17,850 --> 01:27:15,730
memo where where it clearly says la and

2067
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:17,860
I think the facts of this report

2068
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:21,760
Louisiana hoax from July of 1947 pretty

2069
01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:24,130
well establishes that what it says is la

2070
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:25,900
so it doesn't relate to Roswell it

2071
01:27:29,670 --> 01:27:27,490
doesn't relate to the Southwest it does

2072
01:27:31,950 --> 01:27:29,680
nothing to advance our knowledge of the

2073
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:31,960
Roswell case but it's one point that we

2074
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:34,410
can eliminate it's cluttering the

2075
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:37,930
landscape and confusing confusing people

2076
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:40,030
about the documentation so we're

2077
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:41,350
searching other avenues for

2078
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:44,050
documentation yeah no that's that's very

2079
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:46,330
interesting but let me just as a general

2080
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:48,670
thing you've got a case here and not

2081
01:27:57,690 --> 01:27:53,520
only it's cold it's roughly 65 years old

2082
01:28:00,510 --> 01:27:57,700
we have no bodies even if somebody saw

2083
01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:00,520
some at the time there are none that we

2084
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:03,550
know of now we have nothing but

2085
01:28:09,210 --> 01:28:05,790
testimony we have no physical evidence

2086
01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:09,220
we have only that photograph that famous

2087
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:12,870
photograph taken in a general's office

2088
01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:16,450
seven seven photographs taken oh okay

2089
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:19,960
yeah well fine but clearly which clearly

2090
01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:22,390
show a balloon and and a radar reflector

2091
01:28:27,870 --> 01:28:25,480
yes well okay now I've never gotten that

2092
01:28:30,860 --> 01:28:27,880
straight you and I'm sure a lot of

2093
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:30,870
others think that the wreckage was

2094
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:33,610
substituted I can't imagine they went to

2095
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:36,310
that trouble how and when and why did

2096
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:39,730
they substitute it they did it they did

2097
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:44,020
it in Fort Worth and general DuBose told

2098
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:46,210
us that that the the the material in

2099
01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:48,130
Raimi's office was not that was not the

2100
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,540
material found in Roswell and I find

2101
01:28:58,590 --> 01:28:55,360
that awfully hard to believe that they

2102
01:29:02,110 --> 01:28:58,600
went to that much trouble it just

2103
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:03,820
but but then let's look at it the other

2104
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,450
side of the coin do you do you find it

2105
01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:08,000
reasonable that Sheridan Cavitt who was

2106
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:09,710
a counterintelligence agent at Roswell

2107
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:11,950
and and they make these I make these

2108
01:29:16,030 --> 01:29:14,330
identifications Jim because I know you

2109
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:16,040
know who they are but some of the people

2110
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:17,810
listening in though I know they live in

2111
01:29:23,770 --> 01:29:20,690
there and don't get me wrong you you are

2112
01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:23,780
the raw expert we have another expert

2113
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:26,060
who needs to talk right now we have she

2114
01:29:33,550 --> 01:29:29,270
and Chris we're seeing back the sing

2115
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:33,560
that Jim hoesley and Kevin Randle and

2116
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:36,290
that's the fly in the wall Chris O'Brien

2117
01:29:47,230 --> 01:29:44,810
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2118
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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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fair cast and it's as good as it gets

2216
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:06,070
believe me well some are telling us to

2217
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:08,770
buzz off with this show that's why we

2218
01:34:15,570 --> 01:34:12,970
have Kevin Randle and you with gene and

2219
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:15,580
Chris on the fara cast and we're just

2220
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:18,010
sitting back and saying you know what

2221
01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:21,250
Kevin Jim you can just keep talking but

2222
01:34:24,150 --> 01:34:22,300
we're not going to spend it all on

2223
01:34:26,250 --> 01:34:24,160
Roswell we spent about half the show on

2224
01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:26,260
Roswell let's not let's kind of wrap

2225
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:28,900
things up here he he spent a third of

2226
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:33,280
this 250 page book on Roswell and and a

2227
01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:35,110
lot of time in Roswell and I think it's

2228
01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:36,430
justified but what I was saying about

2229
01:34:41,820 --> 01:34:40,150
Cabot was Jim for you if you haven't

2230
01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:41,830
told me flat-out that he'd never

2231
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:43,780
investigated a balloon you think it's

2232
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:46,210
reasonable that he goes out on the field

2233
01:34:51,420 --> 01:34:49,600
with Jeff Marcel and bill Brazel and he

2234
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:51,430
knows immediately it's a balloon but he

2235
01:34:55,470 --> 01:34:52,810
doesn't bother to say Jesse Marcel

2236
01:34:58,680 --> 01:34:55,480
bothered to tell Jesse Marcel he calls

2237
01:35:01,950 --> 01:34:58,690
this crap back to the base in Roswell

2238
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:01,960
some 65 70 miles away he doesn't bother

2239
01:35:06,630 --> 01:35:03,970
to tell William Blanchard the base

2240
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,640
commander that it's a balloon nobody on

2241
01:35:10,230 --> 01:35:08,320
the base is able to recognize the

2242
01:35:11,730 --> 01:35:10,240
balloon in the radar target except for

2243
01:35:13,470 --> 01:35:11,740
Sheridan Cavitt and he doesn't bother to

2244
01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:13,480
tell anybody does that make sense to you

2245
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:16,720
well as I started to say before you know

2246
01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:19,930
more of these details than I do by far

2247
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:22,270
and you probably know more of these

2248
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:25,270
details than anyone else so I mean when

2249
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:28,270
it gets down to that I'm lost I I just

2250
01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:30,730
like that after 65 years with no

2251
01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:34,360
physical evidence etc I just can't

2252
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:37,420
imagine how you can solve this and

2253
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:41,020
indeed why you even try that's really my

2254
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:43,330
point of view because if we can if we

2255
01:35:48,590 --> 01:35:45,850
can come up to a consensus conclusion we

2256
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:48,600
either eliminate the Roswell case from

2257
01:35:53,820 --> 01:35:51,850
what's going on or we have we have the

2258
01:35:56,340 --> 01:35:53,830
evidence that we need to suggest well

2259
01:35:58,230 --> 01:35:56,350
there's I don't page I don't think you

2260
01:36:00,820 --> 01:35:58,240
can do that either because there are

2261
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:00,830
these tantalizing clues

2262
01:36:06,820 --> 01:36:03,650
around which you're talking about and in

2263
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:06,830
which I can't explain and so well you're

2264
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:08,810
always going to have some kind of a a

2265
01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:11,330
question mark but in a case like that

2266
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,350
you have to just say well the most you

2267
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:17,840
can say never know for sure

2268
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,010
for me I'm about as sure as I can be but

2269
01:36:26,410 --> 01:36:24,320
you know if you came up with a little

2270
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:26,420
man that had been overlooked until now I

2271
01:36:32,290 --> 01:36:29,660
certainly listen to you and we're hoping

2272
01:36:34,990 --> 01:36:32,300
we're hoping that we were able to by

2273
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:35,000
mining some of this this territory again

2274
01:36:38,530 --> 01:36:36,320
we're able to find some of that

2275
01:36:39,790 --> 01:36:38,540
information that will be be much more

2276
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:39,800
persuasive than their just the

2277
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:41,690
testimonies that we found to this point

2278
01:36:46,150 --> 01:36:43,520
so that's new what we're seeing what we

2279
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:46,160
can do and it strikes me as the old gold

2280
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:50,330
binder this adage which is you may not

2281
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expect to find the gold but you got a

2282
01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:55,340
look I'm gonna find it unless you look I

2283
01:37:00,970 --> 01:36:58,610
have a question Kevin what what it what

2284
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:00,980
is the possibility of being able to

2285
01:37:06,370 --> 01:37:03,730
uncover some sort of smoking gun

2286
01:37:08,820 --> 01:37:06,380
documentation possibly from from

2287
01:37:10,570 --> 01:37:08,830
government archives or I know a

2288
01:37:13,690 --> 01:37:10,580
incredible amount of work has been done

2289
01:37:15,970 --> 01:37:13,700
already to find any sort of existing

2290
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:15,980
documentation but what is there any

2291
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:17,810
possibility that that could actually

2292
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:22,370
happen because people people screwed up

2293
01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:24,770
if you remember the reasons why don't we

2294
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:26,420
found out about project moon dust if

2295
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:27,890
somebody made a FOIA request and I don't

2296
01:37:32,650 --> 01:37:29,330
know what it was Robert Todd who

2297
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:32,660
initiated it or was Clifford stone who

2298
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:35,090
initiated it one of them made of made a

2299
01:37:42,730 --> 01:37:38,210
FOIA request to the State Department and

2300
01:37:45,490 --> 01:37:42,740
got 11 microfiche with documents that

2301
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:45,500
referred to moon dust which is the

2302
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:49,520
government project to retrieve returning

2303
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:51,440
space debris of unknown origin or

2304
01:37:56,230 --> 01:37:53,360
foreign manufacturing UFOs as part of

2305
01:37:57,970 --> 01:37:56,240
that and and of course the the project

2306
01:37:59,320 --> 01:37:57,980
was classified the name was classified

2307
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,330
we weren't supposed to know about it but

2308
01:38:04,150 --> 01:38:00,800
somebody screwed up and we ended up with

2309
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:04,160
those those 11 microfiche so you know

2310
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:05,270
we're looking we're looking in the

2311
01:38:08,050 --> 01:38:06,890
places that people have looked and maybe

2312
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:08,060
you've missed something we're trying to

2313
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:09,770
think of places that people didn't work

2314
01:38:14,350 --> 01:38:12,320
that might give us some additional clues

2315
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:14,360
that might provide us with something

2316
01:38:19,810 --> 01:38:17,090
and gyms right we may we may not be able

2317
01:38:22,090 --> 01:38:19,820
to find anything that would be the

2318
01:38:23,410 --> 01:38:22,100
smoking gun but then again you know

2319
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:23,420
we're going to we're going to make a

2320
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:26,210
real effort to do this and do it as

2321
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:30,920
scientifically and as neutrally as we

2322
01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:31,990
possibly can

2323
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:34,460
understanding and I understand you know

2324
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,510
people are going to say well you're

2325
01:38:39,490 --> 01:38:37,760
biased and I freely admit that I'm

2326
01:38:42,730 --> 01:38:39,500
biased but I hope that I can look at it

2327
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:42,740
at least in an objective light well

2328
01:38:47,890 --> 01:38:45,710
don't you think the length of time is a

2329
01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:47,900
problem I mean I've even mentioned I've

2330
01:38:53,620 --> 01:38:49,940
seen somewhere and I don't remember

2331
01:38:56,190 --> 01:38:53,630
where one of you was interviewing a

2332
01:38:59,260 --> 01:38:56,200
grandchild of one of the original

2333
01:39:01,210 --> 01:38:59,270
witnesses I mean that would not be me

2334
01:39:02,830 --> 01:39:01,220
well yes that would be me because we

2335
01:39:07,930 --> 01:39:02,840
were talking - we were talking to the

2336
01:39:10,270 --> 01:39:07,940
the grandchildren of sheriff Lopez but

2337
01:39:11,890 --> 01:39:10,280
but but the thing is Jim yeah I can say

2338
01:39:14,260 --> 01:39:11,900
well let's go back down a stage it was

2339
01:39:16,990 --> 01:39:14,270
some event it took place even longer ago

2340
01:39:19,450 --> 01:39:17,000
that was hidden by the Soviet Union

2341
01:39:22,570 --> 01:39:19,460
completely and totally buried and yet

2342
01:39:24,610 --> 01:39:22,580
today nearly a hundred years later we

2343
01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:24,620
now have a solution solution that we

2344
01:39:28,540 --> 01:39:26,450
didn't have enough in the 70s or the 80s

2345
01:39:34,060 --> 01:39:28,550
in the 90s but a solution we have today

2346
01:39:35,770 --> 01:39:34,070
yeah you're right about that yeah so you

2347
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:35,780
know we're gonna take we're gonna take

2348
01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:37,490
what we hope is an objective unbiased

2349
01:39:43,450 --> 01:39:41,270
look at Roswell and move on from there I

2350
01:39:47,020 --> 01:39:43,460
know that gene had a question about

2351
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:47,030
something else so all right I directed

2352
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:48,770
I'm directing your show gene I'm sorry

2353
01:39:52,990 --> 01:39:50,210
well actually I think Chris had the

2354
01:39:56,260 --> 01:39:53,000
question Chris oh I've heard over the

2355
01:39:59,920 --> 01:39:56,270
years claims of people squealing away

2356
01:40:03,370 --> 01:39:59,930
pieces of the metal and I've never seen

2357
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,380
anybody actually follow up on some of

2358
01:40:07,810 --> 01:40:05,600
these claims and then produce any sort

2359
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:07,820
of results what is the likelihood that

2360
01:40:13,630 --> 01:40:10,690
that perhaps Bechtel or one of the

2361
01:40:15,340 --> 01:40:13,640
materials companies of the time may have

2362
01:40:18,430 --> 01:40:15,350
gotten a hold of some of the metal and

2363
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:18,440
possibly a source from one of these our

2364
01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:23,030
kyv could could be located you guys I'm

2365
01:40:26,420 --> 01:40:24,590
not as familiar with the Roswell case

2366
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:26,430
obviously as you guys are but

2367
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:30,080
has any sort of work been done to try to

2368
01:40:35,090 --> 01:40:32,370
figure out where this metal could have

2369
01:40:37,820 --> 01:40:35,100
gone for analysis and then and then made

2370
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,830
appropriate inquiries we assumed in the

2371
01:40:40,850 --> 01:40:39,600
very beginning and when I say in the

2372
01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:40,860
very beginning that would be back in

2373
01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:43,140
1989 when we began that that somebody

2374
01:40:46,580 --> 01:40:44,700
would have picked up a piece of debris

2375
01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:46,590
and we followed any number of those

2376
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:49,560
leads I know it would suggest Pepe

2377
01:40:54,500 --> 01:40:52,560
Henderson had a piece of debris and when

2378
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:54,510
we visited with this was his wife after

2379
01:40:58,700 --> 01:40:56,250
Pappy passed away we visited with her

2380
01:41:00,770 --> 01:40:58,710
out in California she showed us where

2381
01:41:03,020 --> 01:41:00,780
all his documents were stored in this

2382
01:41:05,390 --> 01:41:03,030
big huge shed in the back of the house

2383
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:05,400
and she thinks well it might have been

2384
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:06,690
in there but he might have given it to

2385
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:10,560
somebody else so you know we followed up

2386
01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:12,780
some of these leads we've actually got a

2387
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:14,940
lead to a possible diary that somebody

2388
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:18,690
kept from 1947 that would give us maybe

2389
01:41:24,650 --> 01:41:22,050
some clues tony has been following up

2390
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:24,660
with I think Bechdel as a matter of fact

2391
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,090
on some of that possibility so we're

2392
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:29,040
following some of those leads to this

2393
01:41:34,670 --> 01:41:31,860
point no we don't we don't have any

2394
01:41:36,170 --> 01:41:34,680
samples of the metal at all we we don't

2395
01:41:37,940 --> 01:41:36,180
have the bodies we don't have samples

2396
01:41:39,890 --> 01:41:37,950
the metal we have limited documentation

2397
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:39,900
so we're kind of fighting an uphill

2398
01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:42,510
battle in that respect let me ask you

2399
01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:45,300
just slightly different they're still

2400
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:48,450
Roswell tell me the story of Kent

2401
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:52,080
Jeffrey I take say that he was a pilot

2402
01:42:00,140 --> 01:41:55,860
who got interested in Roswell and he

2403
01:42:02,270 --> 01:42:00,150
sponsored a petition to the government

2404
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:02,280
the usual thing to tell us the truth bla

2405
01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:06,650
bla but then he went to a reunion of the

2406
01:42:14,180 --> 01:42:11,580
509th whatever in in Roswell and came

2407
01:42:16,190 --> 01:42:14,190
away disillusioned and more or less

2408
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,200
dropped the whole thing I mean that's

2409
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:18,480
just an outline tell me let's let's

2410
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:20,370
let's make a couple of things clear Ken

2411
01:42:24,050 --> 01:42:22,290
Jeffery was never in the military he was

2412
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:24,060
not a military pilot he was an airline

2413
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:27,600
pilot and so I mean given that he does

2414
01:42:32,750 --> 01:42:30,300
not understand some of the things that

2415
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:32,760
go on in the military environment that I

2416
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:34,020
understand because I've been in the

2417
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:35,400
military environment in fact I was a

2418
01:42:40,340 --> 01:42:38,460
military pilot at one point but but

2419
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:40,350
you're absolutely right he was he was

2420
01:42:45,110 --> 01:42:43,410
a rabid believer in Roswell he spent he

2421
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:45,120
began the Roswell partition to get

2422
01:42:49,070 --> 01:42:46,380
people to sign to send to the White

2423
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:49,080
House thousands of petitions to get them

2424
01:42:56,210 --> 01:42:52,260
to come clean about what was going on he

2425
01:42:58,400 --> 01:42:56,220
spent a lot of money hiring attorneys to

2426
01:42:59,630 --> 01:42:58,410
protect the witnesses who would come

2427
01:43:03,110 --> 01:42:59,640
forward and tell their stories and one

2428
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:03,120
of them that came forward was was Frank

2429
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:05,790
Hoffman and I think I think one of the

2430
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:08,970
things happened was Kaufman talked about

2431
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,830
a general that he knew who was involved

2432
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,960
in this and gave the name to Kant and

2433
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,880
his father his father was a retired Air

2434
01:43:19,010 --> 01:43:17,040
Force colonel a fighter pilot was a

2435
01:43:22,850 --> 01:43:19,020
triple ace it shot down fifteen enemy

2436
01:43:24,710 --> 01:43:22,860
planes and since his father was

2437
01:43:26,780 --> 01:43:24,720
well-connected into the hierarchy of the

2438
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:26,790
Air Force they made inquiries about this

2439
01:43:30,650 --> 01:43:28,410
general that Kaufman knew and nobody

2440
01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:30,660
knew who the hell it was and I think

2441
01:43:34,700 --> 01:43:32,910
that began the disillusionment of Kent

2442
01:43:36,710 --> 01:43:34,710
Jeffery but then he went to a real ooh

2443
01:43:37,700 --> 01:43:36,720
reunion and he was talking to the pilots

2444
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,710
there and they said well I never heard

2445
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:39,360
anything about it and if it had happened

2446
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:41,250
I would have known about it and in the

2447
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:42,570
military environment that's not

2448
01:43:45,710 --> 01:43:43,620
necessarily true

2449
01:43:47,150 --> 01:43:45,720
you may think you're connected in there

2450
01:43:50,810 --> 01:43:47,160
and you'd know everything's going on but

2451
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:50,820
sometimes you don't and I know in in in

2452
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:53,940
my position when we went to Iraq there

2453
01:43:58,400 --> 01:43:56,070
there were very few of us in our

2454
01:43:59,720 --> 01:43:58,410
battalion in the battalion was 650

2455
01:44:02,480 --> 01:43:59,730
people there were very few of us in the

2456
01:44:04,730 --> 01:44:02,490
battalion who had top-secret clearances

2457
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:04,740
and so there was a lot of stuff that we

2458
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:06,360
knew that we didn't share with a lot of

2459
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:07,860
the other people because they weren't

2460
01:44:11,420 --> 01:44:09,750
cleared to know it you have to share

2461
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:11,430
something with you ladies and gentlemen

2462
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:12,930
we have Kevin Randle

2463
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,600
we have Jim Mosely Jeanne and Chris are

2464
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:17,760
behaving as flies on the wall you're in

2465
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:30,250
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2466
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2467
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2468
01:44:41,860 --> 01:44:39,920
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2469
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2481
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2482
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:09,380
this is Ted Anderson have you ever

2483
01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:10,820
wondered why banks stockbrokers

2484
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,350
investment advisors won't talk about

2485
01:45:16,750 --> 01:45:14,239
gold IRAs they've been available since

2486
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:16,760
1986 yet the financial industry won't

2487
01:45:20,410 --> 01:45:18,530
recognize the value of gold for your

2488
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:20,420
retirement gold is outperformed paper

2489
01:45:24,220 --> 01:45:22,730
investments yet no word about IRAs if

2490
01:45:37,660 --> 01:45:24,230
you would like to have gold for your

2491
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:37,670
retirement call 806-853-9949

2492
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:47,460
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2493
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:51,810
standard of paranormal radio and now

2494
01:46:01,260 --> 01:45:58,960
here's James Steinberg we continue with

2495
01:46:03,210 --> 01:46:01,270
Kevin Randle Jim Mosely with Jean and

2496
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:03,220
Chris and the power cast the book is

2497
01:46:08,190 --> 01:46:05,650
reflections of a UFO investigator we

2498
01:46:10,710 --> 01:46:08,200
spend a lot of time on Roswell but maybe

2499
01:46:13,020 --> 01:46:10,720
at this point it's enough with Roswell

2500
01:46:16,230 --> 01:46:13,030
Kevin don't you think at this point that

2501
01:46:19,620 --> 01:46:16,240
we should withhold much further

2502
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:19,630
discussion until you guys actually put

2503
01:46:23,130 --> 01:46:21,490
all the evidence together and make some

2504
01:46:26,190 --> 01:46:23,140
kind of final conclusion is this gonna

2505
01:46:27,780 --> 01:46:26,200
happen in months or years or what well

2506
01:46:30,270 --> 01:46:27,790
we're hoping they're hoping to do it in

2507
01:46:33,150 --> 01:46:30,280
months so we'll have to we'll have to

2508
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:33,160
see what happens here but I'm willing to

2509
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:35,440
put the Roswell discussion on hold and

2510
01:46:40,350 --> 01:46:38,290
move off into other arenas that were

2511
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:40,360
discussed and reflections of a UFO

2512
01:46:46,770 --> 01:46:42,610
investigator that's fine with me to me

2513
01:46:49,650 --> 01:46:46,780
the most interesting one was the story

2514
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:49,660
of Alexander Hamilton which was funny

2515
01:46:56,580 --> 01:46:52,750
that it would be a famous name but a

2516
01:47:00,330 --> 01:46:56,590
different person and his story I believe

2517
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:00,340
having seen a sorcerer kidnap a cow

2518
01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:03,970
etcetera well that's from Frank not not

2519
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:07,300
Frank Scully Edward I can't what I said

2520
01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:10,090
was book and what's interesting to me is

2521
01:47:16,590 --> 01:47:13,320
when I started lecturing on saucers in

2522
01:47:20,130 --> 01:47:16,600
1967 that book was just out and I think

2523
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:20,140
it was a best-seller and I was not a

2524
01:47:25,050 --> 01:47:22,570
real investigator I didn't claim to be

2525
01:47:27,330 --> 01:47:25,060
but they were this lecture Bureau was

2526
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:27,340
looking for someone that had the time

2527
01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:30,970
and energy to lecture to colleges and I

2528
01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:33,490
wanted to have something to say frankly

2529
01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:37,180
so I read Frank address book and I made

2530
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:39,430
notes and sort of almost memorized it

2531
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:43,450
and one of the cases that I used in my

2532
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:46,570
standard lecture was that one and then

2533
01:47:52,690 --> 01:47:49,840
we found out later if I'm not wrong it

2534
01:47:54,190 --> 01:47:52,700
might have been Jerry Clark that's all

2535
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:54,200
[Music]

2536
01:47:59,020 --> 01:47:56,210
this man and his friends were all

2537
01:48:01,900 --> 01:47:59,030
members of the liar's club and it was

2538
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:01,910
just a joke and it never happened and I

2539
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:04,010
guess nobody ever seriously thought at

2540
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:06,890
that time that it did I think that's a

2541
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,110
very interesting story among others that

2542
01:48:12,670 --> 01:48:10,880
you have well let me let me point out

2543
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:12,680
that Alexander Hamilton the fourth was

2544
01:48:17,170 --> 01:48:15,050
killed in the Battle of Ouachita with

2545
01:48:19,630 --> 01:48:17,180
the 7th cavalry that's a different

2546
01:48:22,540 --> 01:48:19,640
Alexander Hamilton obviously so I mean

2547
01:48:23,980 --> 01:48:22,550
his name's crop up throughout history oh

2548
01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:23,990
yeah

2549
01:48:32,830 --> 01:48:30,440
the 1970s found the daughter of

2550
01:48:34,660 --> 01:48:32,840
Alexander Hamilton and she described how

2551
01:48:35,860 --> 01:48:34,670
her father had come home and said his

2552
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:35,870
name was going to be in the newspaper

2553
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:38,090
and they they had invented this tale of

2554
01:48:43,150 --> 01:48:40,370
this calf napping which which by the way

2555
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:43,160
sort of mirrors the modern cattle

2556
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,650
mutilation phenomenon is going on which

2557
01:48:49,390 --> 01:48:47,600
is also kind of interesting well it's a

2558
01:48:54,610 --> 01:48:49,400
combination of the cattle mutilations

2559
01:48:56,860 --> 01:48:54,620
and abductions interesting is Eddie

2560
01:49:00,280 --> 01:48:56,870
Bullard who's a folklorist began looking

2561
01:49:03,660 --> 01:49:00,290
into the newspapers from the earrin

2562
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:03,670
founded me with an H County newspaper

2563
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:07,730
for 1897 found a follow up story where

2564
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:09,650
Hamilton admitted that it was a hoax and

2565
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:13,670
and what I found in researching the 1897

2566
01:49:17,500 --> 01:49:15,110
stories one of the things I had done is

2567
01:49:18,910 --> 01:49:17,510
whenever I was in a city and had the

2568
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:18,920
opportunity I'd go to the newspaper and

2569
01:49:22,180 --> 01:49:20,450
look at the morgues for the 1897

2570
01:49:24,130 --> 01:49:22,190
newspapers and pull out the internship

2571
01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:24,140
stories and I'd done that done that here

2572
01:49:27,820 --> 01:49:25,790
in Cedar Rapids and I got excited

2573
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:27,830
because I found one word of the a big

2574
01:49:31,870 --> 01:49:29,090
long story in the Cedar Rapids Gazette

2575
01:49:33,340 --> 01:49:31,880
about the about the airship I found the

2576
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:33,350
story and the Cedar Rapids Gazette which

2577
01:49:37,090 --> 01:49:35,450
is very exciting a number of people were

2578
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:37,100
mentioned in it they'd see me seen the

2579
01:49:41,290 --> 01:49:39,710
object over Cedar Rapids and I went home

2580
01:49:42,250 --> 01:49:41,300
and I was very excited about I said you

2581
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:42,260
know I should have looked at the paper

2582
01:49:46,060 --> 01:49:44,510
the next day see what it said so I went

2583
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:46,070
back of the library the next day and I

2584
01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:48,590
looked at the newspaper and found

2585
01:49:52,180 --> 01:49:50,750
another story from Waterloo Iowa but not

2586
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:52,190
only did the people see it but the thing

2587
01:49:56,530 --> 01:49:54,770
of landed crash-landed in Waterloo Iowa

2588
01:50:00,370 --> 01:49:56,540
and I did the thing I remember the

2589
01:50:02,350 --> 01:50:00,380
gazetted sent telegram to the Waterloo

2590
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:02,360
newspaper and said you know send us five

2591
01:50:07,250 --> 01:50:04,370
hundred five hundred words of hard news

2592
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:07,260
no crap and

2593
01:50:11,060 --> 01:50:09,210
they talk to the crew of the of the ship

2594
01:50:13,130 --> 01:50:11,070
that they had found their guy with a

2595
01:50:14,690 --> 01:50:13,140
German accent and they're their project

2596
01:50:16,610 --> 01:50:14,700
leader had fallen overboard and drowned

2597
01:50:18,380 --> 01:50:16,620
in the Cedar River and then eventually

2598
01:50:21,380 --> 01:50:18,390
somebody recognized the guy is the

2599
01:50:24,500 --> 01:50:21,390
flight crew as members of local locals

2600
01:50:25,970 --> 01:50:24,510
and they admitted that it was a hoax and

2601
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:25,980
that was the end of it but what what

2602
01:50:30,430 --> 01:50:27,420
happened was it also proved that the

2603
01:50:33,950 --> 01:50:30,440
Cedar Rapids story was a hoax and and so

2604
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:33,960
yeah that was that was how we we learn

2605
01:50:38,270 --> 01:50:35,370
these things and what was interesting

2606
01:50:40,970 --> 01:50:38,280
was with Eddie Bullard he went and

2607
01:50:43,340 --> 01:50:40,980
looked other newspapers in the area to

2608
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:43,350
see if he could find anything else about

2609
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:46,050
the Alexander Hamilton calf napping and

2610
01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:48,360
found you know the follow-up story found

2611
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:50,670
found that it was a hoax and that's the

2612
01:50:54,650 --> 01:50:52,410
thing about a lot of the the airship

2613
01:50:56,150 --> 01:50:54,660
stories is you've got one story and

2614
01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:56,160
you're thinking this is really kind of

2615
01:50:59,330 --> 01:50:57,480
an incredible story but there's never

2616
01:51:01,160 --> 01:50:59,340
any follow up on it and that suggests

2617
01:51:04,460 --> 01:51:01,170
that the thing is a hoax you know the

2618
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:04,470
the Aurora Texas crash from 1897 you've

2619
01:51:08,900 --> 01:51:06,810
got the original story and the thing hit

2620
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:08,910
the windmill and blue optimi they found

2621
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:12,960
the body of the Martian and they buried

2622
01:51:16,190 --> 01:51:14,070
it and that's the end of the story

2623
01:51:18,590 --> 01:51:16,200
there's never any follow up on it and

2624
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:18,600
and people are still going to the Aurora

2625
01:51:23,390 --> 01:51:20,940
Texas cemetery looking for the grave of

2626
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:23,400
the Martian and things like that but

2627
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:26,040
what they don't do is go to the the

2628
01:51:30,500 --> 01:51:28,020
local Historical Society and in this

2629
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:30,510
case it's Wise County Texas and ask them

2630
01:51:34,610 --> 01:51:32,610
about it and I I did that before

2631
01:51:36,170 --> 01:51:34,620
everybody started looking at the rora

2632
01:51:38,780 --> 01:51:36,180
Texas case because at the time I lived

2633
01:51:41,480 --> 01:51:38,790
in Texas and the historian told me well

2634
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:41,490
there's just nothing nothing about that

2635
01:51:46,190 --> 01:51:43,770
in the historical record at all the

2636
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:46,200
event didn't take place and and you look

2637
01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:47,310
at a couple of books that were written

2638
01:51:51,170 --> 01:51:49,560
about Wise County in the years one of

2639
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:51,180
them was was like eight years after the

2640
01:51:54,980 --> 01:51:53,310
event and here's here's an account of

2641
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:54,990
all the important events in Wise County

2642
01:51:59,300 --> 01:51:56,610
and there's nothing about that in the

2643
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:59,310
book book in nineteen it was in 1908 I

2644
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:01,260
think it was maybe in 1908 I think it

2645
01:52:05,090 --> 01:52:03,480
was it 11 years later and you're

2646
01:52:07,130 --> 01:52:05,100
thinking well the CIA didn't exist so

2647
01:52:08,810 --> 01:52:07,140
maybe couldn't couldn't I go there and

2648
01:52:10,250 --> 01:52:08,820
influence that and nobody really cared

2649
01:52:11,420 --> 01:52:10,260
so if the event had taken place it

2650
01:52:13,670 --> 01:52:11,430
should have been mentioned in this book

2651
01:52:15,260 --> 01:52:13,680
but it wasn't and there was a fellow I

2652
01:52:18,530 --> 01:52:15,270
talked to and he had these hands that

2653
01:52:21,169 --> 01:52:18,540
were all misshapen because of arthritis

2654
01:52:23,929 --> 01:52:21,179
and he had been alive and in

2655
01:52:26,359 --> 01:52:23,939
1897 tonight it didn't happen you know I

2656
01:52:28,279 --> 01:52:26,369
lived here it just didn't happen and

2657
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,289
about five years later I saw him on a TV

2658
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program and he recognized the gnarled

2659
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hands and he was now talking about the

2660
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event that took place that the airship

2661
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crashed and that sort of thing so you

2662
01:52:41,419 --> 01:52:39,360
are ready he he told you that it didn't

2663
01:52:43,489 --> 01:52:41,429
happen and then again on TV and said

2664
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,499
that it's five or six years later yes he

2665
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:45,679
was on TV saying it did happen exactly

2666
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,409
exactly right well you know the excuse

2667
01:52:54,679 --> 01:52:51,840
me but I basically think I may not have

2668
01:52:57,259 --> 01:52:54,689
this perfectly but Walter Hart who I I

2669
01:52:59,149 --> 01:52:57,269
can say I saw but never really met I was

2670
01:53:01,790 --> 01:52:59,159
up in the office there at the Russell

2671
01:53:04,609 --> 01:53:01,800
Museum one time and he came in to sign

2672
01:53:08,270 --> 01:53:04,619
some papers but as I understand it it

2673
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:08,280
wasn't just a deathbed confession he in

2674
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:12,840
his later years added to a story bits

2675
01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:15,570
and pieces of his involvement with

2676
01:53:21,649 --> 01:53:18,510
Roswell where as in all the years before

2677
01:53:24,020 --> 01:53:21,659
that he had never made such claims is

2678
01:53:27,529 --> 01:53:24,030
that about right yes and in fact I

2679
01:53:30,649 --> 01:53:27,539
remember we were going out to dinner in

2680
01:53:32,569 --> 01:53:30,659
the mid 1990s early 1990s we're going

2681
01:53:35,330 --> 01:53:32,579
out to dinner and we were kind of

2682
01:53:36,949 --> 01:53:35,340
throwing things around and so I just

2683
01:53:38,929 --> 01:53:36,959
said that I said to him you know

2684
01:53:40,939 --> 01:53:38,939
figuring well we got him in a frame of

2685
01:53:43,129 --> 01:53:40,949
mind to answer questions and he's might

2686
01:53:44,660 --> 01:53:43,139
maybe not thinking too too carefully

2687
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:44,670
about what he's saying so when did you

2688
01:53:48,890 --> 01:53:46,170
see the bodies and he said I never saw

2689
01:53:50,959 --> 01:53:48,900
him and so there was a history of Walter

2690
01:53:53,029 --> 01:53:50,969
Haught saying that his involvement was

2691
01:53:55,179 --> 01:53:53,039
only writing the press release that's

2692
01:53:57,709 --> 01:53:55,189
all he did

2693
01:53:59,390 --> 01:53:57,719
on the other side of the coin I talked

2694
01:54:02,239 --> 01:53:59,400
to a guy named Harris who was clearly in

2695
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:02,249
Roswell in nineteen nineteen ninety 1947

2696
01:54:08,689 --> 01:54:04,530
it's pictures in the yearbook and he

2697
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:08,699
told me that Walter Haught had asked him

2698
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:11,489
if he wanted to see the bodies so and

2699
01:54:16,069 --> 01:54:13,650
that was before this was this was long

2700
01:54:19,459 --> 01:54:16,079
before this this story came out in fact

2701
01:54:20,899 --> 01:54:19,469
Harris died I think I think in 1998 may

2702
01:54:24,199 --> 01:54:20,909
have been a little earlier than that but

2703
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:24,209
he died before Walter Haught ever began

2704
01:54:28,729 --> 01:54:26,249
to talk about having seen the bodies and

2705
01:54:30,259 --> 01:54:28,739
yet he said to me you know Walter had

2706
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asked him if he wanted to see the body

2707
01:54:37,770 --> 01:54:34,489
so there is a divergent of what

2708
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hot was saying so you could say well he

2709
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:40,249
lived up to his old not to talk about it

2710
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:42,800
in his lifetime and then produced this

2711
01:54:48,700 --> 01:54:45,679
affidavit for release after he passed

2712
01:54:52,299 --> 01:54:48,710
away but what he didn't know but didn't

2713
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,309
didn't he say most of what was in that

2714
01:54:57,459 --> 01:54:54,800
final statement didn't he he makes the

2715
01:55:00,669 --> 01:54:57,469
same statements quite a month or more

2716
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:00,679
before he died as I understand it he he

2717
01:55:09,700 --> 01:55:04,900
did talk you might say out of school

2718
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:09,710
starting in alright I think around 2000

2719
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he had been doing an interview with

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Randall and Jim Mosely and let's just

2844
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get away from all those discussions I

2845
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:19,400
want to cover a couple more things

2846
02:00:24,170 --> 02:00:21,840
thank you I keep trying to get away from

2847
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:24,180
a mrs. as well Jim keeps dragging us

2848
02:00:28,850 --> 02:00:26,730
back okay Jim no more dragging then

2849
02:00:31,340 --> 02:00:28,860
we're kicking dragging or sorry about

2850
02:00:34,610 --> 02:00:31,350
Roswell oh we're gonna had one other

2851
02:00:36,500 --> 02:00:34,620
question about Walter Hall can I last

2852
02:00:38,900 --> 02:00:36,510
question then we have to do left

2853
02:00:39,590 --> 02:00:38,910
question about older horse in softer

2854
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:39,600
schmear

2855
02:00:45,970 --> 02:00:42,810
I was charitable toward him at that time

2856
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:45,980
when I wrote this up I suppose someone

2857
02:00:52,430 --> 02:00:48,930
sometimes shortly after he died and I

2858
02:00:55,940 --> 02:00:52,440
said being charitable I said I think

2859
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:55,950
that basically it's excusable because he

2860
02:01:02,630 --> 02:00:59,520
did this as a it's a favor but as a good

2861
02:01:05,330 --> 02:01:02,640
thing a nice thing for the town of

2862
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:05,340
Roswell and for his daughter who as you

2863
02:01:12,140 --> 02:01:08,730
know it still head of the museum in

2864
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:12,150
other words he he gave them this a boost

2865
02:01:17,210 --> 02:01:14,370
that he didn't have to do but he did do

2866
02:01:19,070 --> 02:01:17,220
and I can understand that do you do you

2867
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:19,080
think I might be on the right track I

2868
02:01:24,890 --> 02:01:22,800
don't know I really don't know I'm again

2869
02:01:27,590 --> 02:01:24,900
he was he was very adamant that he had

2870
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:27,600
not seen anything his involvement was

2871
02:01:33,890 --> 02:01:31,350
purely the press release he also said

2872
02:01:35,630 --> 02:01:33,900
that he operated as frequently as

2873
02:01:37,850 --> 02:01:35,640
criminal Blanchard's ADA Colonel not

2874
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:37,860
being authorized an aide you know you

2875
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:39,570
have to be a general officer to to be

2876
02:01:43,580 --> 02:01:41,280
authorizing aid so but he filled in that

2877
02:01:45,170 --> 02:01:43,590
position so he had a relation with

2878
02:01:46,610 --> 02:01:45,180
Blanchard that was a little bit more

2879
02:01:48,290 --> 02:01:46,620
intimate than it would have been with

2880
02:01:50,690 --> 02:01:48,300
Blanchard and some of the other lower

2881
02:01:52,700 --> 02:01:50,700
ranking company grade officers so he may

2882
02:01:55,340 --> 02:01:52,710
have known more about it than he wanted

2883
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:55,350
to let on at the time so he may have he

2884
02:01:58,820 --> 02:01:57,450
may have been doing that as a way of of

2885
02:02:00,890 --> 02:01:58,830
helping the town and helping his

2886
02:02:03,260 --> 02:02:00,900
daughter or he may have just been he may

2887
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:03,270
have been telling what he knew that he

2888
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:06,170
felt it was necessary to eventually

2889
02:02:10,130 --> 02:02:07,890
explain everything that had happened

2890
02:02:12,500 --> 02:02:10,140
because we should all know what happened

2891
02:02:14,450 --> 02:02:12,510
so I get there's any number of ways that

2892
02:02:17,570 --> 02:02:14,460
you can go down to figure this out what

2893
02:02:19,550 --> 02:02:17,580
do you buddy okay I'm a Bennett we're

2894
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:19,560
gonna hear a round of applause from our

2895
02:02:29,660 --> 02:02:26,780
yay kiddo

2896
02:02:32,660 --> 02:02:29,670
all right back to abduction pretty lame

2897
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:32,670
audience there don't say that I mean I

2898
02:02:37,790 --> 02:02:35,040
mean in the studio well you know how it

2899
02:02:40,220 --> 02:02:37,800
goes yeah we don't have there Howard

2900
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:40,230
Stern the you know cast of thousands

2901
02:02:45,470 --> 02:02:42,450
more millions but we'll get there we're

2902
02:02:47,209 --> 02:02:45,480
working on it all right let's go back to

2903
02:02:50,300 --> 02:02:47,219
something that's back in the book about

2904
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:50,310
abductions and as you know prior to the

2905
02:02:57,709 --> 02:02:53,250
time that Budd Hopkins died he had to

2906
02:03:00,320 --> 02:02:57,719
contend with a very disparaging article

2907
02:03:00,740 --> 02:03:00,330
written by one of his ex-wives Carol

2908
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:00,750
Rainey

2909
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,560
regarding the authenticity of some of

2910
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:06,239
the research the Budd Hopkins and also

2911
02:03:10,610 --> 02:03:08,850
dr. David Jenkins have done and you have

2912
02:03:13,490 --> 02:03:10,620
some comments about this in your book

2913
02:03:16,580 --> 02:03:13,500
maybe define them from our listeners not

2914
02:03:18,770 --> 02:03:16,590
necessarily about abduction well having

2915
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:18,780
been on Budd Hopkins enemies list I find

2916
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:21,360
out because of my opinion on abductions

2917
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:23,010
there were there was a certain amount of

2918
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:24,719
animosity there I guess that I didn't I

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wasn't aware of it existed but

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apparently did but what I looked at

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mainly was but it investigated a UFO

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02:03:40,130 --> 02:03:37,410
crash in Santa Rosa New Mexico in 1963

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and in my book crash when UFOs fall from

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the sky I had mentioned it briefly in

2925
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the epilogue that there just didn't seem

2926
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to be a lot to it and I didn't know a

2927
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:47,610
lot about this case but it just it was

2928
02:03:52,250 --> 02:03:49,890
single witness and not very good in the

2929
02:03:54,350 --> 02:03:52,260
course of that article that Carol Rainey

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had written she mentioned the case a

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little bit more detail about it and I

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02:04:00,380 --> 02:03:58,739
communicated with her about that and I

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communicate with all the web about it

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02:04:03,740 --> 02:04:02,040
because Walter Webb had been involved in

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the investigation with Budd Hopkins so I

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could get an idea of what was going on

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and in the article she suggested that

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that bud had been more enthusiastic for

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the case than was warranted that there

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really wasn't a whole lot there there

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02:04:19,610 --> 02:04:17,400
was a discussion of possibility of list

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of witnesses and blood rotor wrote a

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response to that and two other no other

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witnesses and things like that and that

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Walter Webb's opinion was was based on

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his lack of social skills in his

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investigation and I thought that was a

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little bit untoward so I did a little

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bit of research into that so

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I talked that talk but an e-mailed

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Carolee and he got some information from

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herb and communicated with Walter Webb

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and he got a better idea of that

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investigation what it turns out is blood

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02:04:52,220 --> 02:04:49,830
apparently and interviewed this woman

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named he called her beanie her last name

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was being and she talked about the crash

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so there was a discussion about the

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reliability of the witnesses and in bud

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was but believed believed beanie she

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said that there was a police officer

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that she knew about who was involved in

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this and they wouldn't tried to find him

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but he'd passed away and and but made

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the comment well you don't invent the

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names of people when you when you're

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creating a Hulk and I'm thinking well

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that's not exactly true cuz Gerald

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Anderson used the name of a real person

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being conveniently alive dr. Buskirk who

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said that he wasn't involved so we

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looked at all of all of that stuff and I

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mean the conclusion is it's a single

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witness case there is no other reliable

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evidence at all no other other testimony

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the corroborated s testimony just didn't

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exist and then the list of names were

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people who could have who should have

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been contacted we lucked out because

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Walter Haught had created the yearbook

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and we had a list of 80% of the people

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who are at the base at the time with

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with this she said she worked at the

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hospital so we knew who the hospital

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employees were we knew who the policemen

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the police were involved so we knew we

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could we could find out who the police

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in the were at the time but nobody had

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bothered to follow up on any of those on

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those ads even though water lab had

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suggested that we do so so in that

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respect you know I looked at the case I

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just didn't think that it that it was

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nearly as as exciting as but Hopkins had

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suggested so I know that that is

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outlined in the book the investigation I

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conducted and that was another point of

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the book you can do a lot of this

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internet I mean this is just such a

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marvelous tool that even Jim Mose we

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should get hooked up to bring her now

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well I tell you I'm too old and too

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photograph he may

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that he'd gotten his ph.d and this

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90-day wonder program and this other guy

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had got it the same way and he roads on

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the internet it posted a statement about

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how he'd received his ph.d and they said

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unfortunately this guy is dead so I'm

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looking at the Internet

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because it mentioned Kitt Peak and I

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said well let's see if I can verify this

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guy's name and it turned out not only

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could I verify his name he was still

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alive and it gave his email address and

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I could email him about it so I emailed

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the guy about about roads and this and

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this story about the PhD the guy never

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really answered the questions about it

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because he was a friend of Rhodes and I

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don't think he wanted to make his friend

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out to be a liar but the point simply is

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you know we can we can do all this

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research now through the internet we can

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communicate with people we wouldn't have

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thought we could communicate we can find

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people that I mean what were the odds

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that I could find this guy with just his

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name and no idea where he lived or

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anything about it it was just this

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off-the-wall comment about Kitt Peak

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Observatory and I followed that link and

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ended up with an email address for the

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guy so you know I just asked could I ask

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this you have a PhD Kevin and I was at

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some lecture of yours several years ago

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where you mentioned to somebody else but

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in my hearing that it was mail order but

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it was better than no PhD at all before

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we discussed the PhDs we got to discuss

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this we have Kevin Randle Jim Mosely

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either to make Pope you're listening to

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the parrot alright so the question

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on the floor on the table from Jim owes

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on the poor on the table under the table

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asking Kevin Randle about his doctorate

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you're with G and Chris and the power

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cast Kevin what's your response what I

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said what I said was it's a distance

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learning which is now all the rage and

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it's certainly not as as prestigious is

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a PhD from from Harvard it's distance

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learning and was learning okay you do a

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lot of it over the internet you

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communicate with the the various

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professors that way

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many many traditional bricks-and-mortar

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colleges now offer offer similar degrees

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similar degrees in the same vein

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and the school is accredited so I mean

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who cares the schools are closed

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only reason I got interested is that

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just that I happen to overhear you say

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that by the way in the new smear which

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the one that's just going to the printer

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today actually I have a review of your

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book mostly favorable I think and I do

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think I do mention the PhD says I

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thought that was kind of funny yeah go

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ahead

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oh I'll be quiet for a while but as I

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say I mean it's it's an accredited

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degree and in banking I yes do I know no

3182
02:14:19,880 --> 02:14:16,110
I was gonna say do you wish you we see

3183
02:14:23,210 --> 02:14:19,890
that issue of smear yes I do

3184
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:23,220
all right well listen I it's been so

3185
02:14:27,050 --> 02:14:25,170
long I think I've lost your address you

3186
02:14:28,940 --> 02:14:27,060
may not want to give it over the air but

3187
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,950
if you know I thought I'll do what I'll

3188
02:14:34,700 --> 02:14:30,480
do is I'll give you my my post office

3189
02:14:39,530 --> 02:14:34,710
box all right then and Remagen air we

3190
02:14:41,330 --> 02:14:39,540
can send the assassins to the PIO when I

3191
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:41,340
show up to pick it up they can make an

3192
02:14:45,290 --> 02:14:42,450
attempt to gun me down at that point

3193
02:14:47,540 --> 02:14:45,300
okay we'll have we'll exchange addresses

3194
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:47,550
and we'll make sure everybody can

3195
02:14:53,490 --> 02:14:50,410
contact everybody all right

3196
02:14:55,740 --> 02:14:53,500
in addition to all the discussions we've

3197
02:14:57,540 --> 02:14:55,750
had and it's been fun having Jim and

3198
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:57,550
Kevin just go back and forth about

3199
02:15:01,590 --> 02:14:59,440
things in the book about Roswell and

3200
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:01,600
other subjects there were some questions

3201
02:15:07,020 --> 02:15:04,650
that our listeners wanted to know about

3202
02:15:11,130 --> 02:15:07,030
and I think it'd be a good time that

3203
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:11,140
maybe Chris O'Brien can basically delve

3204
02:15:17,610 --> 02:15:13,570
into the question Bank and ask a couple

3205
02:15:19,410 --> 02:15:17,620
of questions of Kevin Randall Chris well

3206
02:15:22,620 --> 02:15:19,420
we do have quite a number of questions

3207
02:15:25,620 --> 02:15:22,630
of course I think we've answered some of

3208
02:15:28,380 --> 02:15:25,630
the Roswell boring any questions but in

3209
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:28,390
here's one from sentry who is one of our

3210
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:31,090
fairly long-term well you know longtime

3211
02:15:36,690 --> 02:15:34,000
posters and he he asked in a recent

3212
02:15:39,090 --> 02:15:36,700
issue of saucer smear Jim Mosley had

3213
02:15:41,700 --> 02:15:39,100
been revisiting the cache Landon UFO

3214
02:15:43,380 --> 02:15:41,710
case in 1980 and since we'd like to hear

3215
02:15:45,540 --> 02:15:43,390
Kevin's opinion on this case especially

3216
02:15:47,550 --> 02:15:45,550
his thoughts on the military helicopters

3217
02:15:48,630 --> 02:15:47,560
believed to be involved if this was a

3218
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:48,640
military operation

3219
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:50,410
could it be uncovered after all these

3220
02:15:55,950 --> 02:15:53,170
years I haven't done a lot of research

3221
02:15:58,080 --> 02:15:55,960
in cash Landrum it is fine I find it

3222
02:16:00,480 --> 02:15:58,090
interesting but as a former army

3223
02:16:02,250 --> 02:16:00,490
helicopter pilot I wonder where they got

3224
02:16:06,210 --> 02:16:02,260
all the damned helicopters at that time

3225
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:06,220
of the year and and and and yes if it

3226
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:08,410
was a military operation and that number

3227
02:16:13,380 --> 02:16:10,000
of helicopters was involved there's got

3228
02:16:15,570 --> 02:16:13,390
to be a large support contingent you've

3229
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:15,580
got to have full fuel you've got to have

3230
02:16:20,970 --> 02:16:18,010
quarters for the for the flight crews

3231
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:20,980
you've got to provide food for them so

3232
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:22,330
there there should be a lot of

3233
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:24,130
documentation if there was this huge

3234
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:26,110
contingent of military helicopters

3235
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:29,110
clearly clearly the cash and Landrum

3236
02:16:37,169 --> 02:16:33,969
were exposed to radiation and clearly

3237
02:16:40,290 --> 02:16:37,179
they were they were sickened by it so I

3238
02:16:42,299 --> 02:16:40,300
think John Schuessler did the definitive

3239
02:16:43,980 --> 02:16:42,309
work on that thing so if you know

3240
02:16:45,450 --> 02:16:43,990
questions questions about that they

3241
02:16:47,220 --> 02:16:45,460
should look for John Schuessler zaw

3242
02:16:50,030 --> 02:16:47,230
work on cash Landrum but it's a very

3243
02:16:52,980 --> 02:16:50,040
interesting case and certainly one where

3244
02:16:55,230 --> 02:16:52,990
the craft seemingly interacted with the

3245
02:16:57,350 --> 02:16:55,240
environment by making making about the

3246
02:16:59,660 --> 02:16:57,360
three people who were closest to it ill

3247
02:17:03,629 --> 02:16:59,670
you know I've been in touch with

3248
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:03,639
Schuessler lately to some degree and

3249
02:17:08,849 --> 02:17:06,370
with other people Schussler and probably

3250
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:08,859
most of these other people would

3251
02:17:13,979 --> 02:17:11,729
basically prefer that it be

3252
02:17:17,610 --> 02:17:13,989
interplanetary rather than something of

3253
02:17:20,299 --> 02:17:17,620
ours my again let's say interplanetary

3254
02:17:23,339 --> 02:17:20,309
just as a substitute for whatever

3255
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:23,349
weirdness may actually be the cause of

3256
02:17:28,799 --> 02:17:26,050
sausage the point is in in this

3257
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:28,809
particular case I think it's very

3258
02:17:34,740 --> 02:17:31,210
probable that it was some horrible

3259
02:17:37,379 --> 02:17:34,750
experiment of ours that went wrong and

3260
02:17:39,330 --> 02:17:37,389
you may be absolutely correct all right

3261
02:17:41,399 --> 02:17:39,340
thank you I don't know I don't know what

3262
02:17:44,219 --> 02:17:41,409
experiment it would be and I don't

3263
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:44,229
either and I know that I know John and a

3264
02:17:48,450 --> 02:17:46,479
lot of the people tilt toward the the

3265
02:17:51,299 --> 02:17:48,460
extraterrestrial explanation in this

3266
02:17:52,769 --> 02:17:51,309
case but as I say clearly there there is

3267
02:17:54,809 --> 02:17:52,779
evidence that the event took place

3268
02:17:59,629 --> 02:17:54,819
whatever the event may have been and

3269
02:18:02,580 --> 02:17:59,639
well III have a certain that we know

3270
02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:02,590
what the helicopter group was and I

3271
02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:03,969
think at I don't have it all in front of

3272
02:18:10,530 --> 02:18:07,170
me but it was a group that was assembled

3273
02:18:14,790 --> 02:18:10,540
specifically to eventually try to rescue

3274
02:18:16,769 --> 02:18:14,800
the hostages and and that was its

3275
02:18:18,780 --> 02:18:16,779
purpose and eventually they weren't

3276
02:18:21,179 --> 02:18:18,790
needed because it was done through the

3277
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:21,189
political means but that was their

3278
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:23,250
special mission and they were training

3279
02:18:30,049 --> 02:18:26,710
vigorously and they very well could have

3280
02:18:32,429 --> 02:18:30,059
been and seemed to have been doing their

3281
02:18:34,410 --> 02:18:32,439
maneuvers and their training during

3282
02:18:38,219 --> 02:18:34,420
Christmas weeks which is a time that you

3283
02:18:41,370 --> 02:18:38,229
wouldn't expect helicopters so smear in

3284
02:18:43,740 --> 02:18:41,380
his investigation I think nailed that

3285
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:43,750
down I don't know if anybody previously

3286
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:45,760
had done so what we haven't nailed down

3287
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:48,880
and never will is what was the crash and

3288
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:50,590
I don't know maybe we'll have more

3289
02:18:55,950 --> 02:18:53,290
coverage of cash Landrum on future

3290
02:18:56,990 --> 02:18:55,960
episodes power cast Chris let's move to

3291
02:18:59,250 --> 02:18:57,000
the next question

3292
02:19:01,950 --> 02:18:59,260
this is the whole series of questions

3293
02:19:05,129 --> 02:19:01,960
from Blowfish again another one of our

3294
02:19:11,969 --> 02:19:05,139
fairly long longtime posters I'm gonna

3295
02:19:14,820 --> 02:19:11,979
skip the the Roswell please please what

3296
02:19:16,530 --> 02:19:14,830
are your most top five credible UFO

3297
02:19:17,550 --> 02:19:16,540
cases which have more than one

3298
02:19:19,260 --> 02:19:17,560
eyewitness

3299
02:19:21,180 --> 02:19:19,270
that's kind of a tall order to answer

3300
02:19:23,550 --> 02:19:21,190
that one and then for what it's worth

3301
02:19:27,510 --> 02:19:23,560
what's your favorite and least favorite

3302
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:27,520
sci-fi movies oh god yes Kevin can

3303
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:30,130
answer that the science fiction movies

3304
02:19:34,050 --> 02:19:31,840
my goodness there's so many there's so

3305
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,060
many really good ones and most of the

3306
02:19:38,930 --> 02:19:36,160
ones I really like of the old ones from

3307
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:38,940
the 50s like the deadly mantis

3308
02:19:43,770 --> 02:19:40,930
especially when they when they did it on

3309
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:43,780
Mystery Science Theater 3000 forbidden

3310
02:19:47,130 --> 02:19:45,370
planets always been really really good

3311
02:19:51,240 --> 02:19:47,140
and I enjoyed earth vs. the flying

3312
02:19:53,430 --> 02:19:51,250
saucers of course and there's so many

3313
02:19:58,470 --> 02:19:53,440
really crappy science fiction movies as

3314
02:20:00,780 --> 02:19:58,480
well galaxy of Terror I think might be

3315
02:20:03,150 --> 02:20:00,790
among the very worst Oh plan 9 from

3316
02:20:05,640 --> 02:20:03,160
outer now plan 9 from outer space was

3317
02:20:10,381 --> 02:20:05,650
fun because it's so bad okay so we take

3318
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:10,391
care of the scientific unity top 5

3319
02:20:16,530 --> 02:20:14,110
multiple witness oh well if we ignore

3320
02:20:18,060 --> 02:20:16,540
Roswell because we don't want to mention

3321
02:20:20,820 --> 02:20:18,070
that name again I'm thinking of

3322
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:20,830
Levelland because you've got witnesses

3323
02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:23,200
at at least 13 separate locations

3324
02:20:26,551 --> 02:20:25,240
eyewitnesses and multiple witnesses at

3325
02:20:27,810 --> 02:20:26,561
some of those locations so there's more

3326
02:20:29,580 --> 02:20:27,820
than 13 witnesses

3327
02:20:31,501 --> 02:20:29,590
you've got the craft interacting with

3328
02:20:32,131 --> 02:20:31,511
the environment which is stalling me the

3329
02:20:36,650 --> 02:20:32,141
engines

3330
02:20:41,400 --> 02:20:36,660
you've got obvious the obvious air force

3331
02:20:43,261 --> 02:20:41,410
attempts to belittle the case the

3332
02:20:44,730 --> 02:20:43,271
investigator shows up for most of it and

3333
02:20:45,961 --> 02:20:44,740
talked to three witnesses and the air

3334
02:20:49,470 --> 02:20:45,971
force says well there were only three

3335
02:20:51,390 --> 02:20:49,480
witnesses but if anybody had bothered to

3336
02:20:52,910 --> 02:20:51,400
look you would have found more so that's

3337
02:20:55,591 --> 02:20:52,920
a very interesting case

3338
02:20:58,020 --> 02:20:55,601
Lubbock because it's very close to level

3339
02:20:59,970 --> 02:20:58,030
and we'll just mention that but because

3340
02:21:01,890 --> 02:20:59,980
of the photographs taken by Karl Hart

3341
02:21:04,470 --> 02:21:01,900
jr. as opposed to anything else I talked

3342
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,480
to Carl Hart jr. a number of years ago

3343
02:21:07,770 --> 02:21:06,160
and he said at the point at that time he

3344
02:21:09,270 --> 02:21:07,780
didn't know what he further he wasn't

3345
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:09,280
sure they were alien spacecraft but he

3346
02:21:12,180 --> 02:21:10,330
didn't know what he had photographed so

3347
02:21:14,190 --> 02:21:12,190
there's an interesting case where you've

3348
02:21:16,860 --> 02:21:14,200
got a lot of people involved some of

3349
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:16,870
them are seeing natural phenomenon rupal

3350
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:18,730
in his book said that he knew the

3351
02:21:22,770 --> 02:21:21,130
explanation but when we finally got a

3352
02:21:24,330 --> 02:21:22,780
hold of rules papers and found out he

3353
02:21:26,970 --> 02:21:24,340
was talking about it being the fireflies

3354
02:21:31,550 --> 02:21:26,980
and I don't remember fly or fireflies

3355
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:31,560
flying in a formation let's see

3356
02:21:36,630 --> 02:21:33,850
I'm trying to think of multiple witness

3357
02:21:38,400 --> 02:21:36,640
case is here on the Washington Nationals

3358
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:38,410
because you've got multiple witnesses

3359
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:39,850
you got people on the ground you got

3360
02:21:46,290 --> 02:21:42,850
people airline pilots you've got

3361
02:21:49,410 --> 02:21:46,300
military pilots you've got the craft

3362
02:21:50,700 --> 02:21:49,420
seen on radar craft so you've got a

3363
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:50,710
radar scope so you've got

3364
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:53,410
instrumentality the trials more sighting

3365
02:21:58,740 --> 02:21:56,560
from New Mexico in 1949 we have three

3366
02:22:00,960 --> 02:21:58,750
cases so far we'll ask for the other two

3367
02:22:02,820 --> 02:22:00,970
on the other side next week on the power

3368
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:02,830
cast will have a special all-star

3369
02:22:08,820 --> 02:22:05,770
episode where we will honor lucius

3370
02:22:12,780 --> 02:22:08,830
Farish whom some regard as the rock of

3371
02:22:14,729 --> 02:22:12,790
ufology next week on the power cast we

3372
02:22:17,010 --> 02:22:14,739
have Kevin Randle and Jim Mosely

3373
02:22:24,590 --> 02:22:17,020
with gene and Chris you're in the parrot

3374
02:22:28,660 --> 02:22:26,440
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3419
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3424
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3441
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3442
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3443
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wanted to simply flip a switch to get

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3469
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three six five this is Jerome player of

3470
02:26:47,290 --> 02:26:45,420
the f1 Cyclopes and other looks when

3471
02:26:52,750 --> 02:26:47,300
you're listening to the podcast

3472
02:26:57,979 --> 02:26:55,460
in this final segment of the power cast

3473
02:27:00,380 --> 02:26:57,989
with Kevin Randall Jim Mosley Jean

3474
02:27:03,019 --> 02:27:00,390
Steinberg Chris O'Brien we've been

3475
02:27:04,670 --> 02:27:03,029
asking where we have time your questions

3476
02:27:07,819 --> 02:27:04,680
listeners the ones you've posted at the

3477
02:27:10,699 --> 02:27:07,829
forum's forum dr. power cast come in the

3478
02:27:12,109 --> 02:27:10,709
place called the question Bank and Kevin

3479
02:27:15,409 --> 02:27:12,119
Randall was asked about his five

3480
02:27:18,859 --> 02:27:15,419
favorite multiple witness cases three so

3481
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:18,869
far two to go Kevin well I did we've got

3482
02:27:22,250 --> 02:27:20,489
we've got level and without Lubbock

3483
02:27:25,130 --> 02:27:22,260
we've got the Washington Nationals we've

3484
02:27:29,989 --> 02:27:25,140
got Charles Moore okay that's for a New

3485
02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:29,999
Mexico and let's see-oh Bentwaters is

3486
02:27:34,040 --> 02:27:31,409
always very interesting especially

3487
02:27:36,170 --> 02:27:34,050
because we have we have some very good

3488
02:27:36,739 --> 02:27:36,180
testimony from from the military

3489
02:27:40,460 --> 02:27:36,749
witnesses

3490
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:40,470
if we ignore Larry one so there's five

3491
02:27:43,429 --> 02:27:42,810
very good cases Chris what's the next

3492
02:27:47,029 --> 02:27:43,439
question

3493
02:27:52,120 --> 02:27:47,039
this is from our administrator and

3494
02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:52,130
moderator resident skeptic Angelo Angelo

3495
02:27:56,540 --> 02:27:54,329
question for Kevin Randle have you ever

3496
02:28:01,000 --> 02:27:56,550
come across any cattle mutilations that

3497
02:28:03,439 --> 02:28:01,010
are actually paranormal personally no

3498
02:28:05,809 --> 02:28:03,449
the ones that I've investigated we've

3499
02:28:09,889 --> 02:28:05,819
always been able to find a terrestrial

3500
02:28:11,389 --> 02:28:09,899
explanation for my favorite and I only

3501
02:28:15,130 --> 02:28:11,399
mentioned this because the guys name was

3502
02:28:18,170 --> 02:28:15,140
Jefferson Davis veterinarian living in

3503
02:28:20,059 --> 02:28:18,180
Wisconsin Jeff Davis in in Wisconsin

3504
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:20,069
because they were talking about a cattle

3505
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:21,810
mutilation and he was gazette and i went

3506
02:28:25,130 --> 02:28:23,520
and talked to him about it and he said

3507
02:28:27,529 --> 02:28:25,140
it was clear that the farmer had had

3508
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:27,539
committed the mutilation for the

3509
02:28:31,489 --> 02:28:29,850
insurance money of the cow the cow which

3510
02:28:32,929 --> 02:28:31,499
had been sickly its whole life if it had

3511
02:28:35,050 --> 02:28:32,939
died of natural causes he got no

3512
02:28:38,269 --> 02:28:35,060
insurance but if you've been killed by

3513
02:28:39,469 --> 02:28:38,279
the mutilators whomever they were then

3514
02:28:42,469 --> 02:28:39,479
he would have gotten his insurance money

3515
02:28:45,790 --> 02:28:42,479
and that that answers for that case

3516
02:28:48,380 --> 02:28:45,800
specifically it's not suggestion that

3517
02:28:52,099 --> 02:28:48,390
spans all cattle mutilations is that

3518
02:28:53,899 --> 02:28:52,109
that case specifically I haven't I

3519
02:28:56,179 --> 02:28:53,909
haven't seen any that in my

3520
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:56,189
investigation that that involved the

3521
02:28:59,330 --> 02:28:58,319
paranormal Chris so why don't you go

3522
02:29:02,960 --> 02:28:59,340
with the next question

3523
02:29:04,220 --> 02:29:02,970
well again most of the you know I think

3524
02:29:08,751 --> 02:29:04,230
we've asked all our non

3525
02:29:10,730 --> 02:29:08,761
well questions but we do have a couple

3526
02:29:12,921 --> 02:29:10,740
of interesting ones that dovetail away

3527
02:29:15,140 --> 02:29:12,931
from Roswell do you feel that there is a

3528
02:29:17,301 --> 02:29:15,150
demonstrable link between Roswell and

3529
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:17,311
the rapid advance of Technology starting

3530
02:29:23,211 --> 02:29:20,490
in the 50s and what specific modern tech

3531
02:29:24,980 --> 02:29:23,221
do you know of if any that is rumored or

3532
02:29:27,470 --> 02:29:24,990
thought to be linked directly back to

3533
02:29:30,220 --> 02:29:27,480
Roswell an alien craft so this is kind

3534
02:29:32,661 --> 02:29:30,230
of getting into the Corso realm of

3535
02:29:35,751 --> 02:29:32,671
back-engineering and salting private

3536
02:29:39,320 --> 02:29:35,761
industry with technological information

3537
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:39,330
for them to back engineer what the some

3538
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:40,740
of the back engineering and what do you

3539
02:29:44,331 --> 02:29:43,110
think about all that yes Roswell was

3540
02:29:46,940 --> 02:29:44,341
extraterrestrial there would be an

3541
02:29:50,180 --> 02:29:46,950
attempt to reverse engineering there's

3542
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:50,190
no question about it the technological

3543
02:29:55,161 --> 02:29:52,530
leaps that we seem to have made in the

3544
02:29:58,430 --> 02:29:55,171
fifties seem to be driven by human

3545
02:30:00,650 --> 02:29:58,440
research I mean you can find the you can

3546
02:30:02,360 --> 02:30:00,660
you can see the evolution to through the

3547
02:30:04,251 --> 02:30:02,370
scientific papers and the scientific

3548
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:04,261
research being done I think Corso

3549
02:30:10,400 --> 02:30:07,410
mentioned specifically transistors but

3550
02:30:12,740 --> 02:30:10,410
but you can see that the transistor was

3551
02:30:14,451 --> 02:30:12,750
actually under development prior to 1947

3552
02:30:17,150 --> 02:30:14,461
so there doesn't seem to be anything

3553
02:30:20,661 --> 02:30:17,160
there that would suggest that if I was

3554
02:30:23,020 --> 02:30:20,671
to guess it seems and it's just what it

3555
02:30:27,261 --> 02:30:23,030
seems to me is the use of composite

3556
02:30:30,261 --> 02:30:27,271
materials for the skin of various

3557
02:30:32,001 --> 02:30:30,271
aircraft would be would be my guess but

3558
02:30:34,881 --> 02:30:32,011
I have nothing to back that up and it's

3559
02:30:39,291 --> 02:30:34,891
just kind of a guess on my point apart I

3560
02:30:41,511 --> 02:30:39,301
would I would point out that the XR 71

3561
02:30:44,860 --> 02:30:41,521
which was they began development in the

3562
02:30:48,530 --> 02:30:44,870
in the 50s and that technology is

3563
02:30:50,900 --> 02:30:48,540
stunning for 1950 when you when you

3564
02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:50,910
think this is 1950s technology but I see

3565
02:30:55,940 --> 02:30:53,370
no relation between the development of

3566
02:30:58,220 --> 02:30:55,950
the sr-71 and anything that might have

3567
02:31:00,110 --> 02:30:58,230
been picked up at Roswell so I make that

3568
02:31:01,610 --> 02:31:00,120
point clear just that the some of the

3569
02:31:03,770 --> 02:31:01,620
technological developments we were

3570
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:03,780
making in the 50s and 60s were just

3571
02:31:08,121 --> 02:31:05,280
absolutely stunning and I don't think it

3572
02:31:10,341 --> 02:31:08,131
has any relation to UFOs you know the

3573
02:31:12,980 --> 02:31:10,351
one thing I could say just really silly

3574
02:31:15,801 --> 02:31:12,990
Devils Africa question about this and

3575
02:31:17,250 --> 02:31:15,811
that is that we look at the histories of

3576
02:31:20,279 --> 02:31:17,260
the development transistor

3577
02:31:21,420 --> 02:31:20,289
and other things and we say well they

3578
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:21,430
couldn't have been reverse-engineered

3579
02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:22,960
from Roswell there are two other

3580
02:31:28,290 --> 02:31:26,050
possibilities one which is that things

3581
02:31:30,989 --> 02:31:28,300
we learned from Roswell jump-started the

3582
02:31:32,700 --> 02:31:30,999
existing research and number two we kind

3583
02:31:34,979 --> 02:31:32,710
of altered the records so we'd show a

3584
02:31:37,769 --> 02:31:34,989
clear delineation of discoveries and the

3585
02:31:41,130 --> 02:31:37,779
notes but that's not quite what happened

3586
02:31:42,750 --> 02:31:41,140
is that silly the problem with that is

3587
02:31:46,679 --> 02:31:42,760
you've got to go back and you you've got

3588
02:31:48,689 --> 02:31:46,689
a eliminate a lot of stuff I mean let's

3589
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:48,699
just take as an example Robert B

3590
02:31:55,290 --> 02:31:50,890
Willingham who claimed to scene this UFO

3591
02:31:56,639 --> 02:31:55,300
crash near Del Rio Texas he he claims

3592
02:31:57,929 --> 02:31:56,649
that his records have been expunged

3593
02:32:00,149 --> 02:31:57,939
they've gotten rid of them well you

3594
02:32:01,349 --> 02:32:00,159
can't do that because there's all kinds

3595
02:32:04,529 --> 02:32:01,359
of stuff there's there's something

3596
02:32:06,599 --> 02:32:04,539
called the red beam Air Force officers

3597
02:32:08,189 --> 02:32:06,609
registry had he been an Air Force

3598
02:32:10,590 --> 02:32:08,199
officer his name should appear in that

3599
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:10,600
document and it was in and it was

3600
02:32:15,599 --> 02:32:14,170
printed every year very pro for for

3601
02:32:17,550 --> 02:32:15,609
literally decades in fact if you go to

3602
02:32:22,260 --> 02:32:17,560
the army registry you can and you look

3603
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:22,270
up 1877 it tells you you get to list of

3604
02:32:25,859 --> 02:32:23,920
the names of the officers killed it's a

3605
02:32:28,229 --> 02:32:25,869
little bighorn for example so I mean

3606
02:32:30,090 --> 02:32:28,239
it's a complete registry of the officers

3607
02:32:32,729 --> 02:32:30,100
and military there's always gonna be a

3608
02:32:37,889 --> 02:32:32,739
copy long and short of it so there's

3609
02:32:39,750 --> 02:32:37,899
gonna be a copy of some circles yeah

3610
02:32:41,489 --> 02:32:39,760
there's no way to get everything there's

3611
02:32:44,519 --> 02:32:41,499
no way to eliminate everything you can

3612
02:32:45,779 --> 02:32:44,529
always find the trail that way and so

3613
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:45,789
when you say when when somebody says

3614
02:32:48,479 --> 02:32:46,810
well you know they've altered the

3615
02:32:51,719 --> 02:32:48,489
records in that but you can't do that

3616
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:51,729
and it's like they say there was a

3617
02:32:54,899 --> 02:32:53,050
picture somebody said there was a

3618
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:54,909
picture of the crashed craft on the

3619
02:33:00,899 --> 02:32:57,760
front page of the newspaper and it came

3620
02:33:02,069 --> 02:33:00,909
to I came one evening and we hit it but

3621
02:33:04,410 --> 02:33:02,079
then the military came around we're

3622
02:33:05,729 --> 02:33:04,420
picking up all the copies well you had

3623
02:33:07,550 --> 02:33:05,739
your copy didn't you well yes we did

3624
02:33:10,590 --> 02:33:07,560
well where is it well we've lost it

3625
02:33:12,330 --> 02:33:10,600
that's the point the point being that no

3626
02:33:16,380 --> 02:33:12,340
matter what you do whatever we did to

3627
02:33:18,899 --> 02:33:16,390
hide Bob Lazar is real educational

3628
02:33:21,809 --> 02:33:18,909
record some copy would exist somewhere

3629
02:33:24,389 --> 02:33:21,819
and and and and with Willingham he can't

3630
02:33:26,340 --> 02:33:24,399
produce any documents if you ask me if I

3631
02:33:27,870 --> 02:33:26,350
say to you well I retired as a

3632
02:33:30,599 --> 02:33:27,880
lieutenant colonel something from the

3633
02:33:31,050 --> 02:33:30,609
Army and you say well we wrote the st.

3634
02:33:32,819 --> 02:33:31,060
Louis

3635
02:33:35,630 --> 02:33:32,829
and your records don't reflect that can

3636
02:33:38,939 --> 02:33:35,640
you prove it I've got I've even got

3637
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:38,949
copies of of travel vouchers for god

3638
02:33:44,039 --> 02:33:41,680
sakes so I you know I've got I've got

3639
02:33:45,929 --> 02:33:44,049
piles of documents to prove it yeah so

3640
02:33:47,699 --> 02:33:45,939
but but these guys say well I lost all

3641
02:33:49,319 --> 02:33:47,709
my documents people we lost in the fire

3642
02:33:50,489 --> 02:33:49,329
my wife threw them out you know all of

3643
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:50,499
that stuff it just doesn't make any

3644
02:33:54,329 --> 02:33:52,329
sense so when you got watch about the

3645
02:33:55,619 --> 02:33:54,339
wives throwing out all the old critical

3646
02:34:00,029 --> 02:33:55,629
records that you need to prove your case

3647
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:00,039
yes and that's it there's always you if

3648
02:34:05,189 --> 02:34:03,369
you dig a little bit McCann find you can

3649
02:34:07,889 --> 02:34:05,199
find the records the government just

3650
02:34:10,380 --> 02:34:07,899
isn't that good to eliminate all that

3651
02:34:12,510 --> 02:34:10,390
information unless they happen to be

3652
02:34:14,939 --> 02:34:12,520
there and can turn off the spigot at the

3653
02:34:18,059 --> 02:34:14,949
very source before you get a chance to

3654
02:34:19,829 --> 02:34:18,069
create a lot of the documentation and

3655
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:19,839
even then they can always create bogus

3656
02:34:24,119 --> 02:34:22,810
documentation to confuse everybody and

3657
02:34:25,739 --> 02:34:24,129
if they're not doing it then there's

3658
02:34:28,619 --> 02:34:25,749
enough people know you also feel doing

3659
02:34:31,889 --> 02:34:28,629
it to help help them out I won't even

3660
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:31,899
mention mj-12 in that context oh do

3661
02:34:39,779 --> 02:34:37,510
please do but you only have a minute so

3662
02:34:44,819 --> 02:34:39,789
basically you don't believe mj-12 it's

3663
02:34:46,529 --> 02:34:44,829
all a fake at it yes yes okay that's

3664
02:34:48,210 --> 02:34:46,539
absolutely correct and I really don't

3665
02:34:50,429 --> 02:34:48,220
think the government had a hand in it I

3666
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:50,439
think that was misinformation created by

3667
02:34:54,029 --> 02:34:52,329
specific people in the UFO field and

3668
02:34:56,399 --> 02:34:54,039
I'll be very careful and explain I don't

3669
02:34:58,079 --> 02:34:56,409
think Stan Friedman had a hand in it but

3670
02:34:59,969 --> 02:34:58,089
there are others who created the mg told

3671
02:35:02,939 --> 02:34:59,979
documents for their own reasons and it

3672
02:35:06,149 --> 02:35:02,949
has a little more perhaps I'm not going

3673
02:35:08,369 --> 02:35:06,159
to mention any names bill and Richard

3674
02:35:09,960 --> 02:35:08,379
Doty I won't mention any names

3675
02:35:11,699 --> 02:35:09,970
no names I'll tell you what before we

3676
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,709
run have time to mention names

3677
02:35:15,869 --> 02:35:13,600
Kevin Randle you have this book

3678
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:15,879
reflections of a UFO investigator from

3679
02:35:19,979 --> 02:35:18,489
anomalous books tell our listeners where

3680
02:35:22,260 --> 02:35:19,989
they can find more of your stuff in

3681
02:35:25,170 --> 02:35:22,270
addition to this book you can fight you

3682
02:35:26,579 --> 02:35:25,180
can find it all at amazon.com and you

3683
02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:26,589
can get a Kindle version of it and

3684
02:35:29,819 --> 02:35:27,970
Kindle is really neat because I just got

3685
02:35:31,380 --> 02:35:29,829
my iPad so I've been getting Kindle

3686
02:35:33,960 --> 02:35:31,390
books and though that's kind of fun you

3687
02:35:37,260 --> 02:35:33,970
can take a look at my blog which is that

3688
02:35:38,849 --> 02:35:37,270
Kevin Randall Boggs spot.com or just

3689
02:35:40,649 --> 02:35:38,859
type a different perspective into your

3690
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:40,659
search engine and it should pop up and

3691
02:35:44,850 --> 02:35:42,970
you can find some of the stuff you can

3692
02:35:48,421 --> 02:35:44,860
find more stuff about UFOs there

3693
02:35:51,390 --> 02:35:48,431
and we'll just go to Barnes & Noble you

3694
02:35:54,030 --> 02:35:51,400
can find the books go to any of your

3695
02:35:55,140 --> 02:35:54,040
bookstores any the online places you can

3696
02:35:57,600 --> 02:35:55,150
find a lot of the stuff

3697
02:36:02,881 --> 02:35:57,610
Jim Mosely how do we get a copy of

3698
02:36:05,820 --> 02:36:02,891
saucers mirror well I don't know you

3699
02:36:10,890 --> 02:36:05,830
wouldn't give his address but for other

3700
02:36:16,650 --> 02:36:10,900
people they can write to - my name's

3701
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:16,660
your Mosely p.o box 1 709 Key West

3702
02:36:26,190 --> 02:36:23,530
Florida 3 304 1 and you can find our own

3703
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:26,200
friend Chris O'Brien stuff at our

3704
02:36:31,081 --> 02:36:28,450
strange planet.com he hangs out the

3705
02:36:33,511 --> 02:36:31,091
power cast forums at forum that the para

3706
02:36:35,551 --> 02:36:33,521
cast calm this is the kind of show I

3707
02:36:37,740 --> 02:36:35,561
love because we have such great guests I

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can just sit back and enjoy it Kevin

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Randle Jim Mosely thanks for joining us

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this week on the power cast thank you

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible